lewdd wrote:One of those Sex Pistols boxes that has most of the studio recordings. This one - https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Sex ... se/1803849
version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:One of those Sex Pistols boxes that has most of the studio recordings. This one - https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Sex ... se/1803849
Do you have the super deluxe Bollocks set? I think it’s 3CDs and a DVD. I’ve been super tempted for years, but never made the jump due to the price.
lewdd wrote:NMTB
I have this one
https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Nev ... se/3890598
I've been on the fence about buying this one
https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Nev ... e/11262597
version sound wrote:lewdd wrote:NMTB
I have this one
https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Nev ... se/3890598
I've been on the fence about buying this one
https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Nev ... e/11262597
Doesn’t the first one have everything the second one does?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:Not sure if you were looking at that one or the one that also included the 7" replica of "God Save the Queen".
JGJR wrote:Elvis Costello reissues on Rhino; each has a bonus disc, many are incredible and a few are better than their respective disc 1 (the main albums). The earlier Rykodisc reissues had even better bonus material since they were all on one disc each and it had to be pared down to often times the best of the B-sides, demos, alternate takes, et al.
lewdd wrote:One of those Sex Pistols boxes that has most of the studio recordings. This one - https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Sex ... se/1803849
lewdd wrote:There are times when I actually prefer the rawness of some of those demos versus the polished studio material on that album.
patient_ot wrote:lewdd wrote:There are times when I actually prefer the rawness of some of those demos versus the polished studio material on that album.
Rawness is not the issue for me. It's that the demos were recorded by someone who had no idea how to record and mix a punk rock band. They put leaden reverb on the recordings and did not know how to mix them properly. NMTB may be polished and very produced, but it was mixed properly.
version sound wrote:Sometimes bonus material doesn’t really add anything to an album, but sometimes it’s pretty essential. What are some essential “deluxe” or “super deluxe” editions?
One that always springs to mind for me is the deluxe version of Cut by The Slits. It’s got a ton of worthwhile bonus material from radio sessions to demo versions to alternate mixes that are all just as engaging as the original LP.
version sound wrote:
I definitely prefer Bollocks and the 76/77 singles to the demos. I don’t remember the last time I listened to Spunk. Maybe it’s because I heard Bollocks first (an a LOT) before I ever heard the demos.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:
I definitely prefer Bollocks and the 76/77 singles to the demos. I don’t remember the last time I listened to Spunk. Maybe it’s because I heard Bollocks first (an a LOT) before I ever heard the demos.
I heard Bollocks first but it took me a LONG time to come around to the Sex Pistols. I actively disliked them for a long time. So when I got Spunk, I was not approaching the material from the point of a NMTB super fan. Quite the opposite in fact.
Now I like NMTB, but it's not something I put on every day either.
lewdd wrote:
I have the Spunk LP - https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Spu ... se/6579622 and this vinyl version of NMTB - https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-God ... e/10167212
I play them for folks sometimes to show them the different recordings.
patient_ot wrote:I heard Bollocks first but it took me a LONG time to come around to the Sex Pistols. I actively disliked them for a long time. So when I got Spunk, I was not approaching the material from the point of a NMTB super fan. Quite the opposite in fact.
Now I like NMTB, but it's not something I put on every day either.
version sound wrote:Slowdive - Just for a Day 2CD set, if you don’t already own the EPs. Disc 2 is their first three EPs, which were their peak, IMO. It also has a Peel session.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:Elvis Costello reissues on Rhino; each has a bonus disc, many are incredible and a few are better than their respective disc 1 (the main albums). The earlier Rykodisc reissues had even better bonus material since they were all on one disc each and it had to be pared down to often times the best of the B-sides, demos, alternate takes, et al.
I have a bunch of the Rykos. I guess people don't like the mastering on them but they do have a lot of great bonus material. I missed the boat on the Rhinos. I do have an expanded 2xCD of This Years Model on Hip-O that's pretty good with a live disc. Unfortunately the mastering of the main album is too compressed. I usually reach for the MOFI LP of that one when I want to hear the album.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:lewdd wrote:One of those Sex Pistols boxes that has most of the studio recordings. This one - https://www.discogs.com/Sex-Pistols-Sex ... se/1803849
I haven't heard all the demos, but the ones that made it to Spunk are pretty shitty IMHO. It basically sounds like they were playing with no energy and got a leaden, bloated 70s classic rock producer to record them, which further saps energy from the recordings. There is no way in hell I'd prefer those demos over the real album. Just one of those cases where I think the legend of the demos ended up being more hype than anything else.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:Comsat Angels - Demon/Edsel 2xCD deluxe editions of the first three albums
Great sound, great bonus material.
https://www.discogs.com/The-Comsat-Ange ... se/7757107
https://www.discogs.com/The-Comsat-Ange ... se/7760399
https://www.discogs.com/The-Comsat-Ange ... se/7788739
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
scannest wrote:I think the initial Ryko single disc Costello reissues are much more essential than the 2-disc sets. The same goes for THE WHO SELL OUT and LIVE AT LEEDS. Sometimes the extended versions are just right and sometimes they are over kill. I think for all of these the tip over into 2 discs is unnecessary.
JGJR wrote:I wish I'd gone for the SNM an Fiction discs especially before they went out of print. The only Comsats I have on CD (have the 1st 3 albums, My Mind's Eye, and a bunch of 7" and 12" singles on vinyl) is the expanded Waiting for a Miracle on Renascent, which I bought new in 2007 or so. That version is great, BTW, as far as the bonus material goes.
version sound wrote:Slowdive - Just for a Day 2CD set, if you don’t already own the EPs. Disc 2 is their first three EPs, which were their peak, IMO. It also has a Peel session.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:Slowdive - Just for a Day 2CD set, if you don’t already own the EPs. Disc 2 is their first three EPs, which were their peak, IMO. It also has a Peel session.
Those EPs are great. I have this edition. Even back in the mid/late 90s, those CDEPs were tough to find. The only one I ever found at a shop was Morningrise, which I still have. Later I found the debut EP on the original Creation 12''. But yeah that's probably the easiest way to get all the EPs in one place. The only downside is there is some unnecessary compression on it.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:
The 1st 2 have been reissued in the last year or two and I think both were RSD titles. Music on Vinyl did them. I don't have them, though I'd like to hear those versions. I'd be OK with getting the Just for a Day double CD again and should add it to the wishlist, though.
lewdd wrote:I'm surprised Pedro hasn't listed London Calling on here yet
JGJR wrote:The Rykos were the first CD versions I bought for the 1977 to 1986 albums and by and large, I think they are mastered quite well (though there is a noticeable mastering error on a song called "I'll Wear It Proudly" on the King of America disc, but I digress) and sound good. I kinda regret letting them go when I got all of the Rhinos, but I couldn't justify keeping both complete sets, especially when I have all of those albums on vinyl, too (almost all of the early albums in UK and US versions, too). Pro tip: for all of the early ones where they did MoFi except Get Happy!! (that you need the MoFi, a CD version, or the U.S. 2xLp on 33 1/3 reissue since even UK originals don't sound great IMO), track down a UK original and they all sound phenomenal, specifically My Aim is True, This Year's Model (you have the MoFi, so less essential for you perhaps), Armed Forces, Trust, and Imperial Bedroom. Oh, and Punch the Clock, too. The sound difference is very noticeable. The UK ones are the way to go there.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:
The 1st 2 have been reissued in the last year or two and I think both were RSD titles. Music on Vinyl did them. I don't have them, though I'd like to hear those versions. I'd be OK with getting the Just for a Day double CD again and should add it to the wishlist, though.
The downside with MOV is 99% of the time you get digital files (often hi-rez TBF) mastered via DMM assembly line process. Sometimes it turns out okay but on a whole I think the label's releases are a waste of money so I generally avoid them. In rare cases they use old mother plates, or a lacquer cut from somewhere else. A lot of their stuff is just cut in-house from whatever files they get from the label though.
version sound wrote:
I’m fine with a decent digital cut. I have all three OG Slowdive LPs and Blue Day on MOV vinyl. They all sound good, and the QC is pretty excellent. However, I didn’t spend over $20 for any of them. Those goddamn EPs are $30+ for some reason. Fuck that. I’m not sure I’d even pay that for originals.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:I wish I'd gone for the SNM an Fiction discs especially before they went out of print. The only Comsats I have on CD (have the 1st 3 albums, My Mind's Eye, and a bunch of 7" and 12" singles on vinyl) is the expanded Waiting for a Miracle on Renascent, which I bought new in 2007 or so. That version is great, BTW, as far as the bonus material goes.
IIRC the Renascent mastering was used for the first discs on those I linked, so yeah, they sound good. And I have the first UK LP pressings and I would go so far as to say the CDs are better.
I hadn't realized they were OOP but that's kinda how CDs work now. The pressings are smaller and nothing stays in print very long anymore. I think the Sound multi-disc boxes on Demon/Edsel are OOP now too. Anyone that's a fan of the band needs those.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:I wish I'd gone for the SNM and Fiction discs especially before they went out of print. The only Comsats I have on CD (have the 1st 3 albums, My Mind's Eye, and a bunch of 7" and 12" singles on vinyl) is the expanded Waiting for a Miracle on Renascent, which I bought new in 2007 or so. That version is great, BTW, as far as the bonus material goes.
IIRC the Renascent mastering was used for the first discs on those I linked, so yeah, they sound good. And I have the first UK LP pressings and I would go so far as to say the CDs are better.
I hadn't realized they were OOP but that's kinda how CDs work now. The pressings are smaller and nothing stays in print very long anymore. I think the Sound multi-disc boxes on Demon/Edsel are OOP now too. Anyone that's a fan of the band needs those.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:The Rykos were the first CD versions I bought for the 1977 to 1986 albums and by and large, I think they are mastered quite well (though there is a noticeable mastering error on a song called "I'll Wear It Proudly" on the King of America disc, but I digress) and sound good. I kinda regret letting them go when I got all of the Rhinos, but I couldn't justify keeping both complete sets, especially when I have all of those albums on vinyl, too (almost all of the early albums in UK and US versions, too). Pro tip: for all of the early ones where they did MoFi except Get Happy!! (that you need the MoFi, a CD version, or the U.S. 2xLp on 33 1/3 reissue since even UK originals don't sound great IMO), track down a UK original and they all sound phenomenal, specifically My Aim is True, This Year's Model (you have the MoFi, so less essential for you perhaps), Armed Forces, Trust, and Imperial Bedroom. Oh, and Punch the Clock, too. The sound difference is very noticeable. The UK ones are the way to go there.
I picked up TYM and AF when they were cheap on MOFI vinyl. Prices are a lot higher now, especially for some titles. I played the MOFI TYM over the weekend again and it really does sound great but like a lot of recent MOFI vinyl it needs to be cranked because they backed off the compression. I had a U.S. LP and never thought it sounded anywhere near as good as the MOFI. I ended up giving it to a friend.
We've talked about this before but the UK or Euro pressings just don't show up stateside very often. I've never seen any of them except KOA on F-Beat, which I bought from the used bins maybe 5 years ago.
The U.S. GH Columbia LP could be better, but the sound is nowhere near as bad as I had remembered. Maybe it's because I have a much better system now than I did in the late 90s, but when I pulled it out of storage after many years I was expecting to hate it. Of course back then it was a $2-3 record, so there's also that. I have the Ryko CD as well. Wish I had grabbed the MOFI versions of GH and IB when they were cheaper. I checked that recent GH reissue and it seems to be digitally sourced so I've decided to skip it.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:
Even now, BTW, you can easily get GH!! (U.S. versions) for under $10, though some are beat to shit, so you have to careful. The easiest way to tell the difference right away between the U.S. and any other foreign pressing is if the ring wear design is on the front cover, BTW. I don't know why Columbia took that out from the U.S. version, but they fucked with those records a lot. At least they didn't completely change the track order/feel of the albums like on the 1st 3 for U.S. release (that's a separate comment or thread; don't get me wrong, I love the U.S. versions, too, but...), but they had to make one IMO way sillier change. Did they think Americans wouldn't get that it's not worn and that it just tried to mimic an old '60s Lp with ring wear?
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