Chris Shary wrote:Well said Mr. Stabb.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Janelle wrote:Lunachicks
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
clash77 wrote:let me clarify ..I didn't do a good job making my point( and that's on me) The " love affair" for these bands on this board is amusing and repetetive.. That was my point.I could have phrased it differently..For the record, I referenced 3 bands that I grew up listening to( and love)..Just havin a little fun..I have no problem speaking my mind and wil continue to do so..I do think Black Flag would have been better with Kenny G/Chuck Mangione in the band!!!
yourenotevil wrote:different bands mean different things to different people(obviously), but no damn way can you call black flag overrated. even if you don't like the later stuff, they were one of the most prolific and influential bands in hardcore, from their music to their ethics to their artwork/aesthetic.
patient_ot wrote:yourenotevil wrote:different bands mean different things to different people(obviously), but no damn way can you call black flag overrated. even if you don't like the later stuff, they were one of the most prolific and influential bands in hardcore, from their music to their ethics to their artwork/aesthetic.
Later Black Flag definitely takes a lot of heat, but its funny to listen to some of that stuff now and see how it influenced certain bands years later. I only very recently became interested in post-Damaged Black Flag...as a teenager I could've never get into it.
john stabb wrote:I love the Keith/Dez-vocal era the most. Henry was great on Damaged LP & TV Party 7". The line-up for My War tour were great live but I am not a fan of that album. Kira was a fantastic bassist during the Slip it In tour but I have even more issues with that record so I wasn't crazy about experiencing it live. The albums after that became the Henry/Greg Experience & didn't seem to be Black Flag any longer. By the time they got to Who's got the biggest dick size album, it just seemed to be a Black Flag greatest hits cover-band. If I was Henry, I would've left after Slip it In & formed another band w/ Chuck Dukowski BB & Chuck Biscuits. But that's just me. Sounds like a killer band, huh.
patient_ot wrote:For example, when I first heard "can I say", I didn't like it because my 16 year old ears were expecting something harder like Minor Threat. It took about 6 months to grow on me. Over the years, as much as I love MT I've listened to Dag a lot more.
captain2man wrote:DYS's Brotherhood over Dag?
Not by any stretch......as much as I really do like DYS (even the second "metal" record), they're not in the same league as Dag. They don't even play the same sport.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
yourenotevil wrote:clash77 wrote:let me clarify ..I didn't do a good job making my point( and that's on me) The " love affair" for these bands on this board is amusing and repetetive.. That was my point.I could have phrased it differently..For the record, I referenced 3 bands that I grew up listening to( and love)..Just havin a little fun..I have no problem speaking my mind and wil continue to do so..I do think Black Flag would have been better with Kenny G/Chuck Mangione in the band!!!
well, considering the origins of this board, the dag love makes total sense. black flag are big with people everywhere of all ages, if you saw the black flag tattoo book, it was mostly filled with people who were not born when the original line up was alive and kicking. i am not a bad religion nut, but if someone said these were their favorite three punk bands of all time, i wouldn't have anything bad to say about it.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
gregpolard wrote:captain2man wrote:DYS's Brotherhood over Dag?
Not by any stretch......as much as I really do like DYS (even the second "metal" record), they're not in the same league as Dag. They don't even play the same sport.
This, to a "t"
version sound wrote:gregpolard wrote:captain2man wrote:DYS's Brotherhood over Dag?
Not by any stretch......as much as I really do like DYS (even the second "metal" record), they're not in the same league as Dag. They don't even play the same sport.
This, to a "t"
Sure, you kids like the mellow melodic shit. Give me old school XClaim hardcore over that nonsense any day.
Even if we're only talking DC punk rock circa 85-90, Dag is close to the bottom of the list.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
version sound wrote:gregpolard wrote:captain2man wrote:DYS's Brotherhood over Dag?
Not by any stretch......as much as I really do like DYS (even the second "metal" record), they're not in the same league as Dag. They don't even play the same sport.
This, to a "t"
Sure, you kids like the mellow melodic shit. Give me old school XClaim hardcore over that nonsense any day.
Even if we're only talking DC punk rock circa 85-90, Dag is close to the bottom of the list.
tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
tango wrote:SIEGE and DEEP WOUND put that boyscout nonsense in its proper context for me...
tango wrote:I never liked bullies and jocks..regardless of how tough the music sounded.
version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
For Smalley? Yestango wrote:SIEGE and DEEP WOUND put that boyscout nonsense in its proper context for me...
You mean straightedge or the concept of brotherhood? Siege and Deep Wound were both good, but they fit perfectly in a conversation about overrated bands.tango wrote:I never liked bullies and jocks..regardless of how tough the music sounded.
Ummm...and the bullies are who? The Boston Crew?
tango fistula wrote:... pushed the rest of their fans into day trading, the military or the police force.
version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
For Smalley? Yes
captain2man wrote:version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
For Smalley? Yes
Yeah?....we don't hear sound the same way.
tango fistula wrote:yne wrote:i imagine the bully comments refers to later era boston and esp NYHC bands and audiences.
You are correct.
I watched the northeast go from creative and all inclusive and diverse to a big crowd of teenage
boys all dressed alike, all sounding alike and with the same narrow ideology... I don't blame dag or BR for that stuff...they didn't push that strict set of rules on impressionable kids. But...BUT...I know which groups did. It wasn't just SSD and DYS...Connecticut was also to blame for this. It was a horrible time for any band that wasn't "Crew". I pretty much stuck to international punk and HC until about 1990..which is when all those horrible bands started to vanish and a creative wave pushed the rest of their fans into day trading, the military or the police force.
scannest wrote:captain2man wrote:version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
For Smalley? Yes
Yeah?....we don't hear sound the same way.
Can I tell my funny story again? Those who already know it can look away
When we asked Dave to sing on the Rule of Thumb 7" he said, "Sure. What voice do you want?" We asked him to explain and he said he could give us DYS or Dag or ALL. He could do them all, we just needed to say which. And Aquaman and I both started saying in unison (a bit too loudly) "ALL PLEASE. ALL PLEASE."
john stabb wrote:Like Danny, I'm working on letting more bands into that punk tent. I've said my peace on bands like Green Day & all but I'm starting to think that (even if I don't like a lot of these groups because they seem not to fit into the "punk" genre) they are the gateway drug for kids to discover so many of the original 1977-end of the 80's Punk Rock. And I guess that's okay in the long run. Overrated, underrated. Whatever.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
captain2man wrote:scannest wrote:captain2man wrote:version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
For Smalley? Yes
Yeah?....we don't hear sound the same way.
Can I tell my funny story again? Those who already know it can look away
When we asked Dave to sing on the Rule of Thumb 7" he said, "Sure. What voice do you want?" We asked him to explain and he said he could give us DYS or Dag or ALL. He could do them all, we just needed to say which. And Aquaman and I both started saying in unison (a bit too loudly) "ALL PLEASE. ALL PLEASE."
Very cool!!
Dave produced our first album (Drafted, 1998)....he was awesome to work with and lent his vocals to two of our songs. To this day, when I go back and re-listen to that album (not that I do that all that often), I still get a little chill down my spine hearing one of my idols sing on a couple of our songs.
When we played with DBL last August he came on stage and did his parts on those two songs with us....we've played with DBL and The Sharpshooters a few times, but that was the first time he actually performed those parts live.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
scannest wrote:captain2man wrote:version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:So DYS is the high water mark?!
For Smalley? Yes
Yeah?....we don't hear sound the same way.
Can I tell my funny story again? Those who already know it can look away
When we asked Dave to sing on the Rule of Thumb 7" he said, "Sure. What voice do you want?" We asked him to explain and he said he could give us DYS or Dag or ALL. He could do them all, we just needed to say which. And Aquaman and I both started saying in unison (a bit too loudly) "ALL PLEASE. ALL PLEASE."
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:I'm slow so forgive me, but what band are you in??
version sound wrote:tango fistula wrote:yne wrote:i imagine the bully comments refers to later era boston and esp NYHC bands and audiences.
You are correct.
I watched the northeast go from creative and all inclusive and diverse to a big crowd of teenage
boys all dressed alike, all sounding alike and with the same narrow ideology... I don't blame dag or BR for that stuff...they didn't push that strict set of rules on impressionable kids. But...BUT...I know which groups did. It wasn't just SSD and DYS...Connecticut was also to blame for this. It was a horrible time for any band that wasn't "Crew". I pretty much stuck to international punk and HC until about 1990..which is when all those horrible bands started to vanish and a creative wave pushed the rest of their fans into day trading, the military or the police force.
I've decried that jocky crew shit on this very board (well, on the previous board, actually). I never had any interest in that shit. Are DYS and SSD to blame? I guess, partially at least. It all goes back to Ian and Henry in the end, though, doesn't it?
version sound wrote:I've heard a lot more stories about the early DC crew busting heads than I have heard about the Boston Crew. Seems like there was plenty of jocky violence coming from skaters and surfers in the early LA scene too.
version sound wrote:I've heard a lot more stories about the early DC crew busting heads than I have heard about the Boston Crew. Seems like there was plenty of jocky violence coming from skaters and surfers in the early LA scene too.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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