version sound wrote:What model are you thinking of going with? Despite an early love of SGs and the many DCHC bands who played them, I’ve always been a Fender guy. I’ve been through a Gretsch or two and a couple of Les Pauls (a TV Yellow Special and a Orville gold top), but I never really bonded with them. I’ve also owned a couple of Strats, a thrupple of Jags, a Tele, and a Mustang, but I always come back to Jazzmasters.
version sound wrote:Guitar Center used is a great online option. You can return/exchange in-store, if necessary, usually with no hassle:
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/
Reverb is also good, just pay attention to the seller ratings.
version sound wrote:No wang bars or single coils??? How do you play your surf sets?
Seriously though, don’t forget that Toni Iommi played a Strat (IIRC) on most of the first Black Sabbath record and his custom SG had P-90s. Also, J. Mascis, Thurston Moore, Kevin Shields, etc.
I’m the opposite. To me humbuckers = mud. I want note articulation (god knows why, hums would probably cover up my inadequacies better).
SamDBL wrote:I also greatly prefer single coils, these days. I just ordered a gps from Rev, which is their current strat model.
lewdd wrote:clarity? you should get a hollow body gibson
xxxMidgexxx wrote:lewdd wrote:clarity? you should get a hollow body gibson
Hi Lewdd.
NO!
xxxMidgexxx wrote:version sound wrote:No wang bars or single coils??? How do you play your surf sets?
Seriously though, don’t forget that Toni Iommi played a Strat (IIRC) on most of the first Black Sabbath record and his custom SG had P-90s. Also, J. Mascis, Thurston Moore, Kevin Shields, etc.
I’m the opposite. To me humbuckers = mud. I want note articulation (god knows why, hums would probably cover up my inadequacies better).
I have never played 'surf guitar in my life. I have never really started paying attention to that music until about 10 years ago or so. I grew up on Kiss, Queen and Sabbath and then heavy metal. Humbuckers only. Actually, I take that back. I did own an Ibanez single coil guitar in college for a VERY short period of time and it never gave me the thickness and distortion that I wanted.
But alas, we all change and experiment and grow. I'm headed for the clarity now.SamDBL wrote:I also greatly prefer single coils, these days. I just ordered a gps from Rev, which is their current strat model.
Rev? Fess up. I am out of the loop these days.
SamDBL wrote:
Reverend is the brand I've been using exclusively for years. Jaybird's buddy owns the company. Mostly they have their own proprietary designs that are kind of rooted in the 60s aesthetic, but also not copies. They had a strat configuration (three a single coil, traditional trem) but their own body style in the line up that I use probably for more gigs than anything else. It was called the six gun. Currently it's out of the production. But they have a couple of signature models that are more straight copies (as that's what the artist insisted on). This newest one is for a jazz guy named gil Parris. It's a straight up strat with some fancy fishman active pickup system that I'm familiar with. Anyway, I have one on the way.
version sound wrote:You just need the right overdrive and amp. Brian May also used single coils. May and Iommi both used treble boosters in front of amps that were already going into (or on the edge of) distortion. Mascis and Shields both use Big Muffs.
version sound wrote:J. had better tone in the 80s/90s, though I’m a bigger fan of his writing and style than I am his tone. I think some of that has to do with the recordings, though. I mean, Jazzmaster plus big ass Marshall should always sound great. Billy Corgan also got huge, beefy sounds out of single coils.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:version sound wrote:J. had better tone in the 80s/90s, though I’m a bigger fan of his writing and style than I am his tone. I think some of that has to do with the recordings, though. I mean, Jazzmaster plus big ass Marshall should always sound great. Billy Corgan also got huge, beefy sounds out of single coils.
J's sound and the recording on 'You're Living all Over Me' was a lucky charm or a happy accident. In reality, that album sounds a mess. Cheap recording, muffed guitars with a wah wah washing over the whole thing. It was the strength of the songs that made that album what it was/is. Bug was more of the same with only slight sonic improvements. And I still like the first 3 albums more than any of the later stuff.
SamDBL wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:version sound wrote:J. had better tone in the 80s/90s, though I’m a bigger fan of his writing and style than I am his tone. I think some of that has to do with the recordings, though. I mean, Jazzmaster plus big ass Marshall should always sound great. Billy Corgan also got huge, beefy sounds out of single coils.
J's sound and the recording on 'You're Living all Over Me' was a lucky charm or a happy accident. In reality, that album sounds a mess. Cheap recording, muffed guitars with a wah wah washing over the whole thing. It was the strength of the songs that made that album what it was/is. Bug was more of the same with only slight sonic improvements. And I still like the first 3 albums more than any of the later stuff.
I agree with this assessment of his tone, completely. Most of the time I don’t like it in and of itself. But it does seem to fit his songs really well. And I like a lot of his songs. I have found that one of the key ingredients to being a great guitar player is to have a tone that suits your playing, specifically. I think I liked J’s tone on Green Mind best. But I’d never strive for that tone, myself. As it just doesn’t inspire the type of playing I want from myself.
I mean, some of the gold standard rock tones of all time... SRV, AC/DC, EVH... legendary. Yet completely not interchangeable in any way.
The contender would def be a model to check out. P90s are single coil. But a slightly more gradual step coming from humbuckers.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:I have NEVER owned a guitar with a 'whammy' bar. I always thought it was very 'un-punk'. There are some metal bands that do it well...Slayer, Exodus, etc.. but its not until recently that I figured it was not a sin.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:So it looks like Sam Ash in Manhattan caries these guitars and there's another dealership called RUDY'S MUSIC (SOHO). I see one guitar on their website that is called CONTENDER 290. From the description and the price, I might give that a try.
scannest wrote:Is this what happens to punk rock guitarists when they get deeper and deeper into middle age?
The only Fender I've ever considered buying is a '72 Telecaster Deluxe, which has...humbuckers! Well, at least one (depending on the particular model).
I have P90s in my LP Jr. I like the sound, but I will always gravitate towards humbuckers. And I think they sound just fine clean.
Mark T. wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:So it looks like Sam Ash in Manhattan caries these guitars and there's another dealership called RUDY'S MUSIC (SOHO). I see one guitar on their website that is called CONTENDER 290. From the description and the price, I might give that a try.
My vote is for the Superior Blue.
SamDBL wrote:Side note: My former fear of single coils led me to pass on one of the coolest guitars, ever. On a warped tour in the 90's, Sergie from Samiam was selling an LP Jr for very cheap. It was white, but had aged to yellowish. It had previously been owned by Brian Baker and Guy P. I had never played a p90, and was warned it was lower gain than a humbucker. I tried it out for one song at the beginning of a set and just couldn't hang. The fact that there was less distortion to hide behind scared me to death. So I passed on it. Our roadie bought it. He still has it to this day, as far as I know. I contact him about once every two years to see if he'll sell. No dice. And he doesn't even fuckin play. I just know it's going to end up in a pawn shop one of these days. Fuck.
version sound wrote:Japanese Strats are a good option. Much cheaper than US models, but very well made, generally. The made in Mexico models (with all American parts) are also supposed to be pretty good. American made Fenders are expensive AF these days, at least to me, but in my prime guitar buying days, you could still easily get a vintage refin JM for under $1000. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
scannest wrote:Ugly headstock.... I would never play anything I considered ugly, no matter great I thought it sounded. At least not in public.
For my money, the most beautiful guitars are Les Pauls, but they must have binding...
kel wrote:Binding, even though it rubs on the inside of my forearm and leaves welts, is a must because it looks good.
lewdd wrote:whatcha buy
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