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xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxHunterxxx wrote:Cool stuff. There was time left over at the end of the SOA recording session so the Snakes recorded two instrumentals: “Fixing A Chair” and “Riot, Riot, Smash It Up.” They remain unreleased and, according to the Snakes, sound eerily like SOA.
version sound wrote:I (again) tried to comment on the blog and had no luck. Anyway, I think people who came to hardcore later tend to underestimate stuff like SOA and Teen Idles because they have always lived in a world where there was a wealth of hardcore to choose from, but keep in mind that records weren't coming out 50 a week like they are now. These records existed in a world where hardcore was still very new and there was a limited supply. Even comparing them to what came 2 years later is kind of unfair, IMO, because hardcore had exploded at that point. I love this record. It's my favorite thing Henry ever did (with Damaged a close second). I can listen to it over and over and over and never get sick of it. Historical note: Henry basically put this record out and used the Dischord name, so what could have been a label just for Ian and Jeff's stuff became something more than that thanks to Henry. Can't wait for number 3 (the second most overrated record in hardcore).
captain2man wrote:In a vacuum, I would like both the Teen Idles & S.O.A. records - but let's be honest - if these same two records came out with no other future points to connect these bands to - they would probably have been mostly forgotten.
I think it's OK to acknowledge the historical importance of these records and, in my opinion, they are far more important historically than they are musically - but there's nothing wrong with that.
These artists did get better - and well they should! I think the S.O.A. record is pretty cool despite my criticisms, but I could never agree that Rollins didn't go on to do far better things.
You'll also be disappointed in my next post, because I think the first Minor Threat 7" is brain shattering. It's absolutely perfect from start to finish and is the first major plateau in the evolution of sound that Teen Idles and S.O.A. were reaching for.
I'm not terribly fond of this record. It doesn't seem right to call it "generic" since hardcore was still in its infancy, but even next to the Teen Idles, Necros, and GI this record seems inadequate. The music is rudimentary at best and Henry's limited vocal range, while fitting with the boneheaded lyrics (Public Defender: when you see a cop coming you better move quick / because he's gonna hit you with his stick / it doesn't matter what you've done / you're gonna suffer for his fun / etc.), is a real liability. I'm curious about why this stuff was released when their demo tape (excerpted on the 20 Years of Dischord box and Flex Your Head, and bootlegged on a 7" some years back) is smokin'.
version sound wrote:I (again) tried to comment on the blog and had no luck. Anyway, I think people who came to hardcore later tend to underestimate stuff like SOA and Teen Idles because they have always lived in a world where there was a wealth of hardcore to choose from, but keep in mind that records weren't coming out 50 a week like they are now. These records existed in a world where hardcore was still very new and there was a limited supply. Even comparing them to what came 2 years later is kind of unfair, IMO, because hardcore had exploded at that point. I love this record. It's my favorite thing Henry ever did (with Damaged a close second). I can listen to it over and over and over and never get sick of it. Historical note: Henry basically put this record out and used the Dischord name, so what could have been a label just for Ian and Jeff's stuff became something more than that thanks to Henry. Can't wait for number 3 (the second most overrated record in hardcore).
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:Probably the biggest difference between mine and yours (and lots of other people on this board) is that I'm not a hook guy and never have been. I'm not even sure I could say what attracts me to a record, other than I know it when I hear it. Minor Threat, at no fault of their own, were largely responsible for the development of generic hardcore. People heard that first EP and turned it into a template where there hadn't really been one before. Plenty of great stuff came out later, a lot of it heavily influenced by that record, but the stuff that really appeals to me is from that '79-'81(ish) time period when hardcore was still finding its way. Long story short, the impact of that first MT has been somewhat blunted over the years (for me) because so damn many people adopted that sound that it kind of ruined it for me. I listen to it these days and feel like "yeah, that's what hardcore sounds like" without really feeling any kind of uniqueness in it. Same with the Negative Approach EP. They are great records, but my enjoyment of them has been diminished by their endless replication over the last 35+ years.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:Who was influenced by Minor Threat? Seriously??? Who wasn't would be a better question. All youth crew and straight edge bands for a start. You may think they were more influenced by SSD or DYS (I don't hear that at all), but those bands (Boston Crew) were also heavily influenced by MT. Why do you think the Dischord name is on The Kids Will Have Their Say? Not because Dischord actually had a hand in putting it out. I think you are forgetting what MT sounded like pre- break-up and reunion. They were a straight up hardcore band. Pop punk? Are you insane? You need to have your ears cleaned out, brother.
The most overrated HC record is the Negative Approach EP. It's great, and I love it, but there are plenty of other records I like as much or more. It seems like there was a time in the early/mid '00s that every single new band I heard was aping NA. They were great, but one NA is enough for me, I don't need 200.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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