scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
SamDBL wrote:I'll bet the Mean is fully on board with this.
the mean wrote:If I was going to boycott the Descendants/All, it would be for their history of homophobic/misogynistic lyrics.
Funny that this one man boycott getting so much run.
SamDBL wrote:I'll be damned if I can't call people retards.
scannest wrote:SamDBL wrote:I'll be damned if I can't call people retards.
I should clarify - no one said you "can't." You're just a dick if you do.
SamDBL wrote:scannest wrote:SamDBL wrote:I'll be damned if I can't call people retards.
I should clarify - no one said you "can't." You're just a dick if you do.
SamDBL wrote:It seems just that simple, doesn't it? Unfortunately, there is a thing called context. I could be being a dick by calling a mentally disabled person a retard. Or I could be joking around with a friend with completely innocent intentions, in which case no mentally disabled people are involved
SamDBL wrote:Or I could, even more innocently intentioned, name a fucking album with a word that really has no connection with mentally disabled people unless you strain beyond reason because you want to be unreasonable. Why do so many people think it's cool to be unreasonable, these days? It's pretty astounding that being an unreasonable, immature, whiny, pontificating milquetoast has somehow become synonymous with intellectual, selfless heroism to such a large group of people. And, like, the whinier and more unreasonable and milquetoasty you can be is somehow a good thing. In a certain crowd of people that somehow take up the majority of my facebook feed, you pretty much can't say anything any more unless it's a complaint against something. Seriously. It's insane/nauseating. If this petition is real, the person that thought of it must lead such a pathetic and miserable life with absolutely no purpose whatsoever that he thinks taking the time to start a 'movement' to try and change a fucking obviously joke album title of a fucking Descendents album is actually doing the world any good. Christ almighty.
SamDBL wrote:I don't think most of the people on the board suck. It's a vocal minority.
Postby FlexMyHead » Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:34 pm
This is kinda on-topic and kinda off-topic, but at my real job (not my Hummel and record collecting one) part of what I have to do is evaluate children, often below the age of 6, with various issues that impacted them enough to be getting services from the public school system under the category of "Developmentally Delayed" (DD for short). In Florida, children can be identified as DD up until the age of six, so basically, they get services from 3 to 6 and then (typically before they enter Kindergarten) we evaluate them to remove the DD label and see if they meet the criteria for another category to continue to get services to assist with any delays they still may have. (longest fucking intro before getting to the point? I think YES).
So my point deals with "terms/words" and associations/meanings placed on them. As the Dead Milkmen sang about, let's look at a group of kids who like to be rounded up and taken to the zoo, yup, I'm talking about the retards. Before my time, in the schools they just called it Mental Retardation. Up to about 7 years ago, we had 3 different levels of Mental Retardation that were a little more descriptive, that would be Educable Mentally Handicapped, Trainable Mentally Handicapped and Severe & Profoundly Mentally Handicapped. Personally, I really really really totally and really HATED having to sit at a meeting with parents of, for example, a Down's Syndrome kid and tell them "well, you got yourself a Trainable Mentally Handicapped kid". Parent's would freak the fuck out at the word "Trainable", comments I heard over the years "You think my child is a monkey who can be taught to beg and plead? HE IS MORE THAN THAT." etc. I get it. Watching parents process having a special needs child is a different type of grief process. The grieve for all the things they thought their child might have one day done, but now realize the possibility is slim. Some parent's embrace it and focus on the positives, other's get mad and stay mad. Anyway, so currently they have scrapped the 3 different Mentally Handicapped terms and it's just Intellectually Disabled (InD). So we have the same meeting as 7 years ago, come up with the same results (as the definition of Mental Retardation, EMH, TMH, S/PMH and InD are the FUCKING SAME) but now we say they are Intellectual Disabled, but as soon as they parents go away we say "Ok, so they need an EMH, TMH or S/PMH class?". The point is, when we had three different levels and terms, just by knowing that, we knew their IQ range and a rough estimate of their adaptive level, but because the terms were thought to be harsh, we now are less descriptive and more vague and people just use the terms anyway when parent's aren't around, not to mock the kids, but to have an informed discussion of their needs. We changed the terms, not because they were not defined correctly, but because of what people thought of when they heard the words. Retardation was viewed not by it's description, but by the emotion is caused when heard by someone hearing it.
scannest wrote:The fact that this petition started in the UK makes me think it is 100% sincere. Calling someone a "Spastic" in England is roughly the same as calling someone a "Retard" in the US. You just wouldn't do it anymore. Now, "spazz" is a loooongh way from "spastic" as far as I'm concerned, but...
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