77clash wrote:it can't be done
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Chris Shary wrote:in general I'm not a fan of metal at all.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
gunter1976 wrote:I'll put this one out here for all of you to ponder: Darkest Hour
jason powell wrote:gunter1976 wrote:I'll put this one out here for all of you to ponder: Darkest Hour
Darkest Hour is great, but I always thought of them as playing metal. Hardcore and post-hardcore influences abound, but they were always metal to me. Now, Damnation AD, they tread right on the line.
I guess Neurosis is metal, and I think they've definitely gotten better and better, but I think of them as sort of an abstract art project on a different plane than metal or any other typical genre.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jason powell wrote:Yeah, DRI just grew out their hair, they were pretty much just a natural progression of what they were already doing.
The second AF record is one of my favorites. The production is weird and its almost as if everyone in the band doesn't know how to handle the double bass, like all the down beats sound like up beats. I remember thinking my tape was being eaten by my walkman when I first listened to it, I thought it was backwards or something. And then you have lyrics like "Public Assistance". But I seriously love that record. Everyone says that they are going metal on that record, but it doesn't sound metal to me- the breakdowns are raw and heavy, and lack metal style polish, but I really like it that way.
Also, I love the Suicidal records like How Will I Laugh and Revolution with Rocky George on them.
clash77 wrote:Fact..D.R.I..AF..and C.O.C..were laughed at by 90..The experiment failed badly!..And to think there are still fans..haha..Sad...
..I appreciate your opinionyourenotevil wrote:clash77 wrote:Fact..D.R.I..AF..and C.O.C..were laughed at by 90..The experiment failed badly!..And to think there are still fans..haha..Sad...
actually no. COC were more popular on that early 90s run than they ever were as a hc band, but it was a different audience. i think AF always kept their hardcore fan base since liberty was much more hc sounding. either way, one voice was a big album for them and influenced a bunch of people(like jamey jasta from Hatebreed). DRI have been touring since 95 without releasing a record and still sell places out, so i don't think anything you said it accurate.
jason powell wrote:gunter1976 wrote:I'll put this one out here for all of you to ponder: Darkest Hour
Darkest Hour is great, but I always thought of them as playing metal.
clash77 wrote:..I appreciate your opinionyourenotevil wrote:clash77 wrote:Fact..D.R.I..AF..and C.O.C..were laughed at by 90..The experiment failed badly!..And to think there are still fans..haha..Sad...
actually no. COC were more popular on that early 90s run than they ever were as a hc band, but it was a different audience. i think AF always kept their hardcore fan base since liberty was much more hc sounding. either way, one voice was a big album for them and influenced a bunch of people(like jamey jasta from Hatebreed). DRI have been touring since 95 without releasing a record and still sell places out, so i don't think anything you said it accurate.
NYE..but I base my opinions upon on what I remember from that time..I have no need to produce fiction to impress anyone here..That's how it was at the time..take it or leave it..Those bands were relevant till '87 or so. You can disagree if you want..fine..I refuse to listen to the shit they recorded later..I could see the direction they were heading..Not for me..
yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
The Seattle chapter in the book I'm almost done reading now (Late Century Dream) mentions both False Liberty and Brotherhood in the section on Engine Kid.
Never heard of this, so I looked it up. It lists a contributor as Noel Gardner (of the Quietus etc). I know this guy, he's local to me and orders the zine.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
The Seattle chapter in the book I'm almost done reading now (Late Century Dream) mentions both False Liberty and Brotherhood in the section on Engine Kid.
yourenotevil wrote:JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
The Seattle chapter in the book I'm almost done reading now (Late Century Dream) mentions both False Liberty and Brotherhood in the section on Engine Kid.
yeah, if i remember right greg anderson sang for FL in some capacity and then went on to brotherhood and then EK. seattle bands related to hc are on a pretty fucking short list.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
The Seattle chapter in the book I'm almost done reading now (Late Century Dream) mentions both False Liberty and Brotherhood in the section on Engine Kid.
Never heard of this, so I looked it up. It lists a contributor as Noel Gardner (of the Quietus etc). I know this guy, he's local to me and orders the zine.
The Quietus is a great site, one of the few I really rate highly. That's very cool that he orders Artcore. He wrote the Arizona chapter, which is the one I've yet to read (it's the very last one).
What bands does he cover in Arizona?
Yeah, he lives just down the road. He's pretty introverted with a unique sense of humour. Beard, always at gigs doing his looking-at-the-ceiling dance.
He also runs the local Big Issue, which is the UK magazine that homeless people sell to make money (if you don't know that already).
He's always given me good write-ups... http://thequietus.com/articles/08258-noel-gardner-straight-hedge-punk-hardcore
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
The Seattle chapter in the book I'm almost done reading now (Late Century Dream) mentions both False Liberty and Brotherhood in the section on Engine Kid.
yeah, if i remember right greg anderson sang for FL in some capacity and then went on to brotherhood and then EK. seattle bands related to hc are on a pretty fucking short list.
Yep and now he runs Southern Lord and is in Sunno ))). Part of the reason why there was such a small HC scene back then in Seattle is that there was a strictly enforced law that essentially prevented all-ages shows from happening at all for a few years like when Brotherhood was a band. The book goes into it in great detail.
yourenotevil wrote:sometimes history is better left unwritten.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
Welly wrote:AF jumped on the metal bandwagon like many others, then off, then on, then off. The second LP was alright apart from the dodgy lyrics on that one song
yourenotevil wrote:yeah, if i remember right greg anderson sang for FL in some capacity and then went on to brotherhood and then EK. seattle bands related to hc are on a pretty fucking short list.
JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:sometimes history is better left unwritten.
I think you'd really enjoy it, actually. It doesn't just deal with Engine Kid, but lots of now forgotten or overlooked bands that were sort of on the periphery of grunge like Skin Yard, Vexed, The Gits, 7 Year Bitch, Gruntruck and others and it starts off with The Fartz, Ten Minute Warning and other early '80s Seattle punk bands and it goes into stuff like Skin Yard touring with Alice in Chains, etc.
That's just the Seattle chapter, BTW, but it is by far the most extensive and lengthiest of all the chapters in the book.
the mean wrote:Welly wrote:AF jumped on the metal bandwagon like many others, then off, then on, then off. The second LP was alright apart from the dodgy lyrics on that one song
Two songs. There were two songs with horrendous lyrics. Can't get with this LP at all.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
yourenotevil wrote:JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:sometimes history is better left unwritten.
I think you'd really enjoy it, actually. It doesn't just deal with Engine Kid, but lots of now forgotten or overlooked bands that were sort of on the periphery of grunge like Skin Yard, Vexed, The Gits, 7 Year Bitch, Gruntruck and others and it starts off with The Fartz, Ten Minute Warning and other early '80s Seattle punk bands and it goes into stuff like Skin Yard touring with Alice in Chains, etc.
That's just the Seattle chapter, BTW, but it is by far the most extensive and lengthiest of all the chapters in the book.
i was actually referring to southern lord and sunno. that books does sound interesting though. the PNW has always kind of been a wasteland for hardcore, but i don't know why. seattle-you had brotherhood and then undertow and those were the two really big bands of the sxe scene. you have all kinds of people from the east coast hc scene move out here to SEA and PDX, but most of them don't end up forming bands i guess. i was talking to an old sxe CT guy at sheer terror and he was telling me he wants to start like a rev/nyhc inspired band but he can't find a drummer. he said he knows guys that actually like bold and chain of strength but they would never wear the shirt or play in a band like that, and he said it was lame as fuck, like they are trying to protect their amebix crust image or something.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:Welly wrote:JGJR wrote:yourenotevil wrote:i like false liberty a lot, but they seem to be pretty forgotten by most. except for the brotherhood link, i never hear them mentioned by anyone at all.
DRI-if you like dealing with it, the later stuff is just as good. crossover is slower, but the songs are pretty much the same.
The Seattle chapter in the book I'm almost done reading now (Late Century Dream) mentions both False Liberty and Brotherhood in the section on Engine Kid.
Never heard of this, so I looked it up. It lists a contributor as Noel Gardner (of the Quietus etc). I know this guy, he's local to me and orders the zine.
The Quietus is a great site, one of the few I really rate highly. That's very cool that he orders Artcore. He wrote the Arizona chapter, which is the one I've yet to read (it's the very last one).
What bands does he cover in Arizona?
Yeah, he lives just down the road. He's pretty introverted with a unique sense of humour. Beard, always at gigs doing his looking-at-the-ceiling dance.
He also runs the local Big Issue, which is the UK magazine that homeless people sell to make money (if you don't know that already).
He's always given me good write-ups... http://thequietus.com/articles/08258-noel-gardner-straight-hedge-punk-hardcore
I just started in on it, but as far as I can tell, JFA, Meat Puppets, Mighty Sphincter and Sun City Girls (and probably others).
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
the mean wrote:Seattle has had major issues with all ages venues over the years, which has probably crippled the scene a bit.
Welly wrote:
False Liberty
Sudden Impact
Welly wrote:dave123 wrote:Welly wrote:
False Liberty
Sudden Impact
Stoked you mentioned both False Liberty and Sudden Impact. Sudden Impact was awesome; both 12"s are super cool. There were a good number of crossover style bands from Canada. Beyond Possession rocked this sound really well on the LP. The demo that came after the LP isn't as solid, but still cool. Anyone stoked on some Corpus Vile from Winnipeg? I will have to pull out that False Liberty 7" for a spin.
Does the Accused count? They really didn't "go metal" but definitely had a big metal influence that sort of progressed. Then again, they were always kind of their own thing once Blaine was up front. Kind of like DRI I guess and original COC up until Technocracy.
Yeah, thought I'd let you mention Beyond Possession, otherwise there'd be no conversation.
Other Canadian bands of this ilk of course was Death Sentence (although their first less-crossover album is a lot better) and Hype ...Life Is Hard Then You Die!
Accüsed counts, although they were pretty much always crossover. The first two albums are classic stuff.
Not heard of Corpus Vile from Winnipeg, although there was another one from Bristol.
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