scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Those aren't Flag lyrics.
xxxHunterxxx wrote:gregpolard wrote:Those aren't Flag lyrics.
There's another man's pants in my house.
xxxHunterxxx wrote:Frankly, I'm not sure why I waited so long. Must have something to do with being in Baltimore on a Monday night.
drew wrote:Cerebral Ballzy added to NYC! nice!
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Who is Cerebral Balzy??
Knutsen wrote:Not bad, but overrated hipster hardcore kids. Totally wild etc, but you know, most of us have seen this before.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
I like what I've heard of them, too, but they sound like a band that would've come out of Cleveland in the early '90s.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
Knutsen wrote:gregpolard wrote:Who is Cerebral Balzy??
Not bad, but overrated hipster hardcore kids. Totally wild etc, but you know, most of us have seen this before.
gregpolard wrote:JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
I like what I've heard of them, too, but they sound like a band that would've come out of Cleveland in the early '90s.
That actually sounds quite pleasing. We talking early Integrity/Ringworm??
JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
I like what I've heard of them, too, but they sound like a band that would've come out of Cleveland in the early '90s.
drew wrote:JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
I like what I've heard of them, too, but they sound like a band that would've come out of Cleveland in the early '90s.
Huh? I guess I only know Integrity & Ringworm and CB sound nothing like that....
Young kids playing HC with some downtown '77 NYC PunkNRoll thrown in. Short tunes & a 30 min. set is gonna be perfect for this show.
Welly wrote:Always wanted to see TSOL, but first time they were due to play the UK, they cancelled. I think it was like two weeks after 911.
Bill wrote:Trash Talk fucking suck.
Ha, I've seen a band that Welly hasn't! HA! It took me eleven years of waiting and exactly like Welly, multiple canceled shows to do it though.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:Bill wrote:Trash Talk fucking suck.
Ha, I've seen a band that Welly hasn't! HA! It took me eleven years of waiting and exactly like Welly, multiple canceled shows to do it though.
Surprised so many people hate on TT. They seem like a good thrashy fast HC band to me. Not much to hate on.
yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:Bill wrote:Trash Talk fucking suck.
Ha, I've seen a band that Welly hasn't! HA! It took me eleven years of waiting and exactly like Welly, multiple canceled shows to do it though.
Surprised so many people hate on TT. They seem like a good thrashy fast HC band to me. Not much to hate on.
check the first ep or two on malfunction. they got pretty bad after that. plus the whole public lashing of deathwish made it easy for people to hate them more. now they just play whack fucking fests. they were one of the main headliners at some lame fashion/music fest in L.A. and i honestly had no idea who any of the other groups were(it was like rap acts, etc). and then guys like the greg anderson sing their praises and call them a revolutionary hardcore band. pretty easy to see why people hate em, music aside.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:Bill wrote:Trash Talk fucking suck.
Ha, I've seen a band that Welly hasn't! HA! It took me eleven years of waiting and exactly like Welly, multiple canceled shows to do it though.
Surprised so many people hate on TT. They seem like a good thrashy fast HC band to me. Not much to hate on.
check the first ep or two on malfunction. they got pretty bad after that. plus the whole public lashing of deathwish made it easy for people to hate them more. now they just play whack fucking fests. they were one of the main headliners at some lame fashion/music fest in L.A. and i honestly had no idea who any of the other groups were(it was like rap acts, etc). and then guys like the greg anderson sing their praises and call them a revolutionary hardcore band. pretty easy to see why people hate em, music aside.
Oh I have all of their records (on mp3). Was just curious why everyone we seems to hate on them.
yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:yourenotevil wrote:gregpolard wrote:Bill wrote:Trash Talk fucking suck.
Ha, I've seen a band that Welly hasn't! HA! It took me eleven years of waiting and exactly like Welly, multiple canceled shows to do it though.
Surprised so many people hate on TT. They seem like a good thrashy fast HC band to me. Not much to hate on.
check the first ep or two on malfunction. they got pretty bad after that. plus the whole public lashing of deathwish made it easy for people to hate them more. now they just play whack fucking fests. they were one of the main headliners at some lame fashion/music fest in L.A. and i honestly had no idea who any of the other groups were(it was like rap acts, etc). and then guys like the greg anderson sing their praises and call them a revolutionary hardcore band. pretty easy to see why people hate em, music aside.
Oh I have all of their records (on mp3). Was just curious why everyone we seems to hate on them.
for the reasons i listed above, plus they seem to be marketing themselves to the same crowd cerebral ballzy does. i don't if you know the story, but they played sound and fury fest in 2008 and did a special press of their record containing a letter bitching about deathwish, who had just acquired malfunction, the label they were on. i think they had all of these demands that deathwish could not meet, so they essentially said fuck you. i guess they ended up apologizing and mending the fences, but i think that started the hatred of them.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
I like what I've heard of them, too, but they sound like a band that would've come out of Cleveland in the early '90s.
That actually sounds quite pleasing. We talking early Integrity/Ringworm??
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
drew wrote:JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I like Trash Talk but don't really feel the yearn to listen to another band that sounds like them. I still check them out though. Who knows?
I like what I've heard of them, too, but they sound like a band that would've come out of Cleveland in the early '90s.
Huh? I guess I only know Integrity & Ringworm and CB sound nothing like that....
Young kids playing HC with some downtown '77 NYC PunkNRoll thrown in. Short tunes & a 30 min. set is gonna be perfect for this show.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
john stabb wrote:Definitely seeing the gig in B'more but (even though I do love my Jack ... Grisham, that is) it's kind of strange that Mike & Ron are not in this TSOL. I know the kids in South America will go batshit crazy seeing American Punk so Jack being the original master entertainer frontman will be fine for them. And yes, the young bassist & older guitarist (HE and drummer Anthony play w/ D.I. when not doing this gig) pulled off the songs behind Jack that WDC night they played as Jack Grisham's Lost Soul but I feel conflicted about them calling this TSOL. If I got some other guys to play for say Tom, J., and Pete (1st real G.I. Reunion) or Tom, Brian, and Colin (2nd G.I. Reunion) called it Government Issue, I'd personally feel that it's a cheat to folks who wanted/paid to see us.
I know that Jack has paid more than his fucking share of dues with TSOL & I'd love to see my old band friend secure & happy in his life. I'd love to be there, too. I wish all life's best for my old band friends like Keith but I'm so glad he didn't just get his band friends together, call it Black Flag (doing those songs he was part of) instead of doing OFF! I'm incredibly excited about seeing FLAG with at least 4 original Black Flag members.
Am I just the minority here speaking about having 1 original member of a longtime infamous punk band & calling it that band name? Do most people even care if musicians do that as long as they get 1 guy their familiar with & hear the hits they wanna hear? Discuss ...
john stabb wrote:it's kind of strange that Mike & Ron are not in this TSOL.
john stabb wrote:Definitely seeing the gig in B'more but (even though I do love my Jack ... Grisham, that is) it's kind of strange that Mike & Ron are not in this TSOL. I know the kids in South America will go batshit crazy seeing American Punk so Jack being the original master entertainer frontman will be fine for them. And yes, the young bassist & older guitarist (HE and drummer Anthony play w/ D.I. when not doing this gig) pulled off the songs behind Jack that WDC night they played as Jack Grisham's Lost Soul but I feel conflicted about them calling this TSOL. If I got some other guys to play for say Tom, J., and Pete (1st real G.I. Reunion) or Tom, Brian, and Colin (2nd G.I. Reunion) called it Government Issue, I'd personally feel that it's a cheat to folks who wanted/paid to see us.
I know that Jack has paid more than his fucking share of dues with TSOL & I'd love to see my old band friend secure & happy in his life. I'd love to be there, too. I wish all life's best for my old band friends like Keith but I'm so glad he didn't just get his band friends together, call it Black Flag (doing those songs he was part of) instead of doing OFF! I'm incredibly excited about seeing FLAG with at least 4 original Black Flag members.
Am I just the minority here speaking about having 1 original member of a longtime infamous punk band & calling it that band name? Do most people even care if musicians do that as long as they get 1 guy their familiar with & hear the hits they wanna hear? Discuss ...
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
yourenotevil wrote:john stabb wrote:Definitely seeing the gig in B'more but (even though I do love my Jack ... Grisham, that is) it's kind of strange that Mike & Ron are not in this TSOL. I know the kids in South America will go batshit crazy seeing American Punk so Jack being the original master entertainer frontman will be fine for them. And yes, the young bassist & older guitarist (HE and drummer Anthony play w/ D.I. when not doing this gig) pulled off the songs behind Jack that WDC night they played as Jack Grisham's Lost Soul but I feel conflicted about them calling this TSOL. If I got some other guys to play for say Tom, J., and Pete (1st real G.I. Reunion) or Tom, Brian, and Colin (2nd G.I. Reunion) called it Government Issue, I'd personally feel that it's a cheat to folks who wanted/paid to see us.
I know that Jack has paid more than his fucking share of dues with TSOL & I'd love to see my old band friend secure & happy in his life. I'd love to be there, too. I wish all life's best for my old band friends like Keith but I'm so glad he didn't just get his band friends together, call it Black Flag (doing those songs he was part of) instead of doing OFF! I'm incredibly excited about seeing FLAG with at least 4 original Black Flag members.
Am I just the minority here speaking about having 1 original member of a longtime infamous punk band & calling it that band name? Do most people even care if musicians do that as long as they get 1 guy their familiar with & hear the hits they wanna hear? Discuss ...
i am pretty sure i have said this numerous times- i might go see said punk band with a scab line up, but i am not going to delude myself into thinking i saw anything close to the real band in their prime. my rule of thumb is, if you don't have the guy up there with you who wrote the majority of the songs on stage, you are pretty much a glorified karoake band to me. i saw poison idea in portland in 08 and had a good time, but i am sure as shit not going to say i saw anything more than a semi sober jerry A with 4 guys playing a bunch of songs pig wrote. i have seen the cro mags a few times with JJ and mackie, the original drummer, but i would not say i ever saw the true mags line up without harley also being on stage. that said, JJ's version always brings it and by all accounts harley's last version of the mags with parris in 2000 was a trainwreck. maybe that is comparable to the current FLAG and Black Flag incarnations. do you want to see the guy who wrote the songs with his view of the band, or do you want to see a greatest hits vegas act? i guess both have their audiences, and in the case of BF i have seen both incarnations.
i can say i have seen some reunion bands like gorilla biscuits where all of the original members played and they played all of their songs and were totally into it and by all accounts played a lot better than they ever did in their first run as a band. i have also seen og line ups that were fucking horrible all around. some bands like sheer terror were always more about the singer. i had fun seeing them. i guess it comes down to a case by case basis. i saw TSOL and the adolescents at the frontier records anniversary show. they both had fill in players, but they were both really good.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
JGJR wrote:john stabb wrote:Definitely seeing the gig in B'more but (even though I do love my Jack ... Grisham, that is) it's kind of strange that Mike & Ron are not in this TSOL. I know the kids in South America will go batshit crazy seeing American Punk so Jack being the original master entertainer frontman will be fine for them. And yes, the young bassist & older guitarist (HE and drummer Anthony play w/ D.I. when not doing this gig) pulled off the songs behind Jack that WDC night they played as Jack Grisham's Lost Soul but I feel conflicted about them calling this TSOL. If I got some other guys to play for say Tom, J., and Pete (1st real G.I. Reunion) or Tom, Brian, and Colin (2nd G.I. Reunion) called it Government Issue, I'd personally feel that it's a cheat to folks who wanted/paid to see us.
I know that Jack has paid more than his fucking share of dues with TSOL & I'd love to see my old band friend secure & happy in his life. I'd love to be there, too. I wish all life's best for my old band friends like Keith but I'm so glad he didn't just get his band friends together, call it Black Flag (doing those songs he was part of) instead of doing OFF! I'm incredibly excited about seeing FLAG with at least 4 original Black Flag members.
Am I just the minority here speaking about having 1 original member of a longtime infamous punk band & calling it that band name? Do most people even care if musicians do that as long as they get 1 guy their familiar with & hear the hits they wanna hear? Discuss ...
I didn't know that this version of TSOL is only Jack with no Mike or Ron. Interesting and odd. I'm curious why they're not in it anymore?
Also, Keith & co can't call it Black Flag because I think Greg owns the name, no?
gregpolard wrote:yourenotevil wrote:john stabb wrote:Definitely seeing the gig in B'more but (even though I do love my Jack ... Grisham, that is) it's kind of strange that Mike & Ron are not in this TSOL. I know the kids in South America will go batshit crazy seeing American Punk so Jack being the original master entertainer frontman will be fine for them. And yes, the young bassist & older guitarist (HE and drummer Anthony play w/ D.I. when not doing this gig) pulled off the songs behind Jack that WDC night they played as Jack Grisham's Lost Soul but I feel conflicted about them calling this TSOL. If I got some other guys to play for say Tom, J., and Pete (1st real G.I. Reunion) or Tom, Brian, and Colin (2nd G.I. Reunion) called it Government Issue, I'd personally feel that it's a cheat to folks who wanted/paid to see us.
I know that Jack has paid more than his fucking share of dues with TSOL & I'd love to see my old band friend secure & happy in his life. I'd love to be there, too. I wish all life's best for my old band friends like Keith but I'm so glad he didn't just get his band friends together, call it Black Flag (doing those songs he was part of) instead of doing OFF! I'm incredibly excited about seeing FLAG with at least 4 original Black Flag members.
Am I just the minority here speaking about having 1 original member of a longtime infamous punk band & calling it that band name? Do most people even care if musicians do that as long as they get 1 guy their familiar with & hear the hits they wanna hear? Discuss ...
i am pretty sure i have said this numerous times- i might go see said punk band with a scab line up, but i am not going to delude myself into thinking i saw anything close to the real band in their prime. my rule of thumb is, if you don't have the guy up there with you who wrote the majority of the songs on stage, you are pretty much a glorified karoake band to me. i saw poison idea in portland in 08 and had a good time, but i am sure as shit not going to say i saw anything more than a semi sober jerry A with 4 guys playing a bunch of songs pig wrote. i have seen the cro mags a few times with JJ and mackie, the original drummer, but i would not say i ever saw the true mags line up without harley also being on stage. that said, JJ's version always brings it and by all accounts harley's last version of the mags with parris in 2000 was a trainwreck. maybe that is comparable to the current FLAG and Black Flag incarnations. do you want to see the guy who wrote the songs with his view of the band, or do you want to see a greatest hits vegas act? i guess both have their audiences, and in the case of BF i have seen both incarnations.
i can say i have seen some reunion bands like gorilla biscuits where all of the original members played and they played all of their songs and were totally into it and by all accounts played a lot better than they ever did in their first run as a band. i have also seen og line ups that were fucking horrible all around. some bands like sheer terror were always more about the singer. i had fun seeing them. i guess it comes down to a case by case basis. i saw TSOL and the adolescents at the frontier records anniversary show. they both had fill in players, but they were both really good.
You didn't see Cro Mags in '01 / '02 when Harley was back in?
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
john stabb wrote:And when Jack Grisham's Lost Cause was on that last tour, I'd heard that they were being booked as TSOL. So now I wonder if that was true.
johnnotkathi wrote:John - I agree. I was getting worried about the Philly show and some diluted version of TSOL being there. Ron is FANTASTIC and a crucial part of the band (IMO) as is Mike.....glad it all seems to have been a rumor....
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
gregpolard wrote:I'm so excited for this show, seriously.
yourenotevil - I saw the Mags in '01 when they opened for Soul Brains. They blew SB out of the water.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I'm so excited for this show, seriously.
yourenotevil - I saw the Mags in '01 when they opened for Soul Brains. They blew SB out of the water.
Not hard to do...the one time I saw Soul Brains was in '99 at a now long defunct club near my parents' house called The Birch Hill in Old Bridge, NJ. Anyway, I also saw Sunny Day Real Estate and Cheap Trick (not on the same bill) one time each, but anyway they were awful. They played 20 minutes of hardcore, which was cool, and then an hour of reggae and I left during their set. There was always a fight. It was just terrible.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:I'm so excited for this show, seriously.
yourenotevil - I saw the Mags in '01 when they opened for Soul Brains. They blew SB out of the water.
Not hard to do...the one time I saw Soul Brains was in '99 at a now long defunct club near my parents' house called The Birch Hill in Old Bridge, NJ. Anyway, I also saw Sunny Day Real Estate and Cheap Trick (not on the same bill) one time each, but anyway they were awful. They played 20 minutes of hardcore, which was cool, and then an hour of reggae and I left during their set. There was always a fight. It was just terrible.
I went to Birch Hill once, in '99 as well.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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