scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
SamDBL wrote:They are one of those bands that, musically, just puts out the same record over and over. The exception being the first full-length. Just like Motörhead and AC/DC, they bring their own sound and chemistry and I appreciate the consistency. But it’s not like I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for the newest album to be released. After four albums they’d apparently said all they cared to say a few times over. I haven’t heard the most recent albums. But I assume my reaction would be ‘ah. Not bad. I like it’. And then never listen to it again.
captain2man wrote:SamDBL wrote:They are one of those bands that, musically, just puts out the same record over and over. The exception being the first full-length. Just like Motörhead and AC/DC, they bring their own sound and chemistry and I appreciate the consistency. But it’s not like I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for the newest album to be released. After four albums they’d apparently said all they cared to say a few times over. I haven’t heard the most recent albums. But I assume my reaction would be ‘ah. Not bad. I like it’. And then never listen to it again.
I think the fact that so many fans of the earliest days dropped off the Green Day wagon after American Idiot is sort of proof that they actually did NOT put out the same record over & over again. I'm not an expert on the post-American Idiot records, but from what I've heard - they are quite different than those first 15 years of records. It's just that - I think many of us would have preferred them not changing course as they did. When you own the formula - keep it going.
the mean wrote:Was there another thread on Green Day recently?
I sold all my Green Day stuff in about 1992. Sold a bunch of other stuff around that time period and regret all of it. I'm starting to grab reissues of whatever I can find on vinyl for a reasonable price. Picked up the Insomniacexpanded reissue with a live set a few month ago. Grabbed Kerplunk with the Sweet Children 7" included from the local store this weekend. This morning I ordered the BBC Session 2LP and the newest album.
I saw them about 25-30 times, with the last time being in 1994, the first show of the Dookie tour:
Also, I took the earliest live photos of the band. I let the Turn It Around movie use them, but trying to figure out what to do with them, otherwise.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:They are one of those bands that, musically, just puts out the same record over and over. The exception being the first full-length. Just like Motörhead and AC/DC, they bring their own sound and chemistry and I appreciate the consistency. But it’s not like I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for the newest album to be released. After four albums they’d apparently said all they cared to say a few times over. I haven’t heard the most recent albums. But I assume my reaction would be ‘ah. Not bad. I like it’. And then never listen to it again.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:captain2man wrote:SamDBL wrote:They are one of those bands that, musically, just puts out the same record over and over. The exception being the first full-length. Just like Motörhead and AC/DC, they bring their own sound and chemistry and I appreciate the consistency. But it’s not like I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for the newest album to be released. After four albums they’d apparently said all they cared to say a few times over. I haven’t heard the most recent albums. But I assume my reaction would be ‘ah. Not bad. I like it’. And then never listen to it again.
I think the fact that so many fans of the earliest days dropped off the Green Day wagon after American Idiot is sort of proof that they actually did NOT put out the same record over & over again. I'm not an expert on the post-American Idiot records, but from what I've heard - they are quite different than those first 15 years of records. It's just that - I think many of us would have preferred them not changing course as they did. When you own the formula - keep it going.
Interesting. I just figured the fans you spoke of got kind of bored. The first album has a way different sound, imo. More open chord type stuff. Everything after that seemed to stick to the same formula with increasing production value until that also hit a ceiling. The production value of Dookie was a massive upgrade from kerplunk, which was exciting to hear. But other than that, not much variation between the songs of the two albums. I think I was totally bored by the time nimrod came around. Slight interest again for warning. Then bored again. Did not even make it to American idiot. I know that was their big ‘concept’ album. But musically it seemed like the same old shit, for the most part. If anything, maybe they’ve been trending towards super slick, modern pop rock ever so slightly?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:There's also a vulnerability in songs like "Disappearing Boy" and "I Was There" that they didn't really return to again after that unless it's on some of those later Reprise albums and I just don't know it (last one I heard in full was Dookie with the exception of American Idiot; latter didn't do that much for me tbh).
the mean wrote:JGJR wrote:There's also a vulnerability in songs like "Disappearing Boy" and "I Was There" that they didn't really return to again after that unless it's on some of those later Reprise albums and I just don't know it (last one I heard in full was Dookie with the exception of American Idiot; latter didn't do that much for me tbh).
Pretty sure lyrics for "I Was There" were written by original drummer John. Not sure how many others he wrote.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:the mean wrote:JGJR wrote:There's also a vulnerability in songs like "Disappearing Boy" and "I Was There" that they didn't really return to again after that unless it's on some of those later Reprise albums and I just don't know it (last one I heard in full was Dookie with the exception of American Idiot; latter didn't do that much for me tbh).
Pretty sure lyrics for "I Was There" were written by original drummer John. Not sure how many others he wrote.
I didn't know that. Did he write any other lyrics for them early on? It would then make sense that the lyrics/tone became much goofier (for lack of a proper why of saying it) when he left. Maybe this is a bit unfair, but it went from "I Was There" to "Dominated Love Slave" on the next album.
version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
scannest wrote:version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
I think what you're referring to is typically called a 'hook'. You don't like them apparently.
scannest wrote:version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
I think what you're referring to is typically called a 'hook'. You don't like them apparently.
version sound wrote:scannest wrote:version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
I think what you're referring to is typically called a 'hook'. You don't like them apparently.
Being an obnoxious asshole doesn’t suit you half as well as it does midge.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:version sound wrote:scannest wrote:version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
I think what you're referring to is typically called a 'hook'. You don't like them apparently.
Being an obnoxious asshole doesn’t suit you half as well as it does midge.
Hey fuck you. I've worked HARD to get that status.
version sound wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:version sound wrote:scannest wrote:version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
I think what you're referring to is typically called a 'hook'. You don't like them apparently.
Being an obnoxious asshole doesn’t suit you half as well as it does midge.
Hey fuck you. I've worked HARD to get that status.
You do it with a certain grace that Sal lacks. He doesn’t understand that a little goes a long way. When every fucking response is just being a insulting dick, it gets old fast.
patient_ot wrote:Musically, some of their stuff is decent enough, but I cannot stand Billie Joe's voice. The way he enunciates words in his faux-accent with emphasis on certain syllables makes me want to smash anything playing their music. Sorry, not my thing.
version sound wrote:scannest wrote:version sound wrote:The thing that really keeps me away is their use of certain chord progressions that in my mind are very American and very ‘80s.
I think what you're referring to is typically called a 'hook'. You don't like them apparently.
Being an obnoxious asshole doesn’t suit you half as well as it does midge.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:Musically, some of their stuff is decent enough, but I cannot stand Billie Joe's voice. The way he enunciates words in his faux-accent with emphasis on certain syllables makes me want to smash anything playing their music. Sorry, not my thing.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:Love the first couple alubms and singles, for the reasons mentioned... better songs, lyrics, more interesting guitar playing, etc.... but along with the shift toward a more generic big budget "punk" sound on Dookie and later albums, I always kinda thought their whole 70s punk- rock/glam image overhaul around the same time was kinda lame as well... look at early pics of them around 1990... they were a bunch of long-haired hippie-pothead California dirtballs... dreadlocks, backward baseball caps, baggy clothes... basically like the late 80s skater kids they actually were at the time. The blue spiky hair and eyeliner look once they went to a major label always seemed kind forced and obvious to me.
But that said, I don't hate them or anything, just kinda "meh"
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:Love the first couple alubms and singles, for the reasons mentioned... better songs, lyrics, more interesting guitar playing, etc.... but along with the shift toward a more generic big budget "punk" sound on Dookie and later albums, I always kinda thought their whole 70s punk- rock/glam image overhaul around the same time was kinda lame as well... look at early pics of them around 1990... they were a bunch of long-haired hippie-pothead California dirtballs... dreadlocks, backward baseball caps, baggy clothes... basically like the late 80s skater kids they actually were at the time. The blue spiky hair and eyeliner look once they went to a major label always seemed kind forced and obvious to me.
But that said, I don't hate them or anything, just kinda "meh"
This is perfect; pretty much agree with every word here but I thought the glammy overhaul (no issue with that) was in the 2000s post-American Idiot. I probably wasn't paying close attention to that, though. Whatevs.
the mean wrote:That's some petty bullshit.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:So.....Is it cool to start liking Green Day again?
the mean wrote:I'm not going to spend a ton of time defending Green Day, but in that first pic (probably earlier than 89) they would have been 15 or 16, most likely. I'm not sure what your criticism is. They didn't dress the same at age 16 as they did at age 22? That's some petty bullshit.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
SamDBL wrote:God damn. I never would've guessed Mean is such a rabid Green Day ass kisser that totally wants to suck off Mike Dirnt or some shit. Apologize this instant, Jaybird.
the mean wrote:That's some petty bullshit.
jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:God damn. I never would've guessed Mean is such a rabid Green Day ass kisser that totally wants to suck off Mike Dirnt or some shit. Apologize this instant, Jaybird.
I would bet money that this debate is a replay of an actual argument that took place in the MRR letters section circa 1994.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:I distinctly remember this change over. I don't remember exactly when it happened. But I do remember grouping them with those late 80's pop punk bands like ALL, Doughboys and BDC when they had long hair. Then when they cut it shorter, I immediately got the notion that they were more closer related to Buzzcocks or Undertones. Marketing department totally nailed it.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
SamDBL wrote:Fun fact: the other band I wrote to and asked to join when I wrote dbl was Green Day. Probably around the ‘paper lanterns’ era, if not the first album. Unfun fact: they did not call me. I guess the singer owns a bar in Cali with the singer for Samiam. Samiam guy, who is an old bud, called us to have us fly out there an play. I jacked my dick raw fantasizing about Billie Joe showing up and me relaying the story to him. To which he would finally take me up on the offer. Which would be the feel good, ironic rock and roll success story of the year.
Then Covid hit and the whole god damn thing got called off. Oh well.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:God damn. I never would've guessed Mean is such a rabid Green Day ass kisser that totally wants to suck off Mike Dirnt or some shit. Apologize this instant, Jaybird.
I would bet money that this debate is a replay of an actual argument that took place in the MRR letters section circa 1994.
That was funny, but I'll say this. I met Mike when I was 18 at a show they played with Bad Religion at Roseland in I'm gonna say fall 1993 (they blew BR off the stage that night, BTW) and he was super, super nice, especially considering that I was that obnoxious kid punishing him with questions about signing to Reprise (this was about I dunno 8 months before Dookie came out or something like that). Many years later (fall 2011), I was about 15 feet away from him at Irving Plaza watching The Damned, but I didn't approach him. I figured he was in town for the American Idiot on Broadway thing or rehearsals or something and he didn't wanna be bothered and just wanted a night to himself. I'll never forget how kind he was, though.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:I distinctly remember this change over. I don't remember exactly when it happened. But I do remember grouping them with those late 80's pop punk bands like ALL, Doughboys and BDC when they had long hair. Then when they cut it shorter, I immediately got the notion that they were more closer related to Buzzcocks or Undertones. Marketing department totally nailed it.
Ironically, their actual music owes a lot more to Replacements, Husker Du, and their Berkeley peers as well as classic rock stuff like The Who. I don't hear too much of that stuff in GD, personally, although I suppose there is a bit of Buzzcocks/Ramones/Undertones and later Descendents in every subsequent pop-punk group given the Buzzcocks/Ramones influence on HD in particular.
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