Has anything entered the punk/hardcore canon since 1990?

[version sound]

I’m not talking about personal favorites, but records that future generations will consider essential and foundational. Nirvana wasn’t a punk band, so let’s not go there.

As a subtopic, are there any punk/hardcore records that were originally released after 1990 that are currently fetching big bucks or you think may in the future? I’m just curious if collector nerds will still be focusing on records from the ‘80s in 20 years, or if other records will replace them.

[captain2man]

Off the top of my head - Fugazi's 'Repeater' (1990), Jawbreaker's 'Dear You' (1995), Refused's 'The Shape of Punk to Come' (1998), are all considered pretty foundational on a major level (even if I feel earlier Jawbreaker albums - also in the '90s - deserve that glorification much more).

In a smaller scene, the Saetia discography (released in 2001, but music recorded in the late-'90s) is worshipped and seriously influential, essential and foundational....the impact is just as strong as those others.....but the reach is much smaller.

And of course, the one-two punch in '94 of 'Dookie' and 'Smash'....Green Day and Offspring are both punk bands in my opinion, and if they're not now, they were then.

[jaybird]

Descendents - Everything Sucks
Murder City Devils - In Name and Blood
The Bronx - S/T
At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command
the Exploding Hearts - Guitar Romantic
Fucked Up - Hidden World

[scannest]

I wouldn't have taken you for a fan, but this one is pretty essential.

[the mean]

Has anything entered the pink/hardcore canon since 1990?

Didn't Tim Armstrong write an album for Pink in the early 2000s?

[the mean]

As a subtopic, are there any punk/hardcore records that were originally released after 1990 that are currently fetching big bucks or you think may in the future? I’m just curious if collector nerds will still be focusing on records from the ‘80s in 20 years, or if other records will replace them.

Here are the Top 10 records (by max sale price) from my discogs that I think would fit your definition:

Valium Aggelein - Hier Kommt Der Schwartze Mond
LP, Album, Ltd, Whi
AudioInformationPhenomena AIP 002
1998 US
$333.00

Evergreen (3) - Seven Songs
LP, Album
Anomaly, Whaleboy, ANOM 003, WB 00
1994 US
$283.02

Karate - 595
2xLP, Gat
Southern Records 28124-1
2007 UK & Europe
$259.84

Jawbreaker - Unfun
LP, Album, Blu
Shredder, SH-07
1990 US
$240.96

Karate - Some Boots
LP, Album
Southern Records 18599-1
2002 US
$211.76

Shudder To Think - Pony Express Record
LP, Album
Sammich Records DD-1031
1994 US
$200.00

Cap'n Jazz - Burritos...
LP, Album
Man With Gun MWGLP02
1995 US
$200.00

Circus Lupus - Solid Brass
LP, Album
Dischord Records, DIS79V
1993 US
$199.98

Tiger Trap - Tiger Trap
LP, Album
K KLP17
1993 US
$199.95

Calm (4) - Calm
LP, Album
Unleaded Records, Man With Gun none, MWG 0.5
1995 US
$199.88

These definitely lean to the "indie" side of things.

[the mean]

Also, Rudimetary Peni records released after 1990 are worth bucks, just like the 80s stuff.

[version sound]

First of all, OOF! on that typo (though Pink was supposedly a punk BITD). My fucking autocorrect and keyboard are garbage.

mean’s info is highly interesting. I’ve heard some of those records, but not others. Those sale prices are pretty surprising. I bought that Circus Lupus record from drew for like $8.00 a few years ago. I still own it, and it ain’t going anywhere. Thanks again, drew!

Green Day! I didn’t even think about them. Do “real” punks like that record, I mean, besides greg?

[drew]

First of all, OOF! on that typo (though Pink was supposedly a punk BITD). My fucking autocorrect and keyboard are garbage.

mean’s info is highly interesting. I’ve heard some of those records, but not others. Those sale prices are pretty surprising. I bought that Circus Lupus record from drew for like $8.00 a few years ago. I still own it, and it ain’t going anywhere. Thanks again, drew!

Green Day! I didn’t even think about them. Do “real” punks like that record, I mean, besides greg?

No prob, I have another copy. Lol. Not of Super-Genius though......

[the mean]

mean’s info is highly interesting. I’ve heard some of those records, but not others. Those sale prices are pretty surprising.

What I was most surprised about was the prices for the 10 or so major label bands that I kept buying new releases from in 1995-2005. There would usually be a limited vinyl press when it was first released. That shit is all worth bank.

[the mean]

Green Day! I didn’t even think about them. Do “real” punks like that record, I mean, besides greg?

Which record? I think everything through Insomniac is pretty good.

[the mean]

As a side note, I sold my Green Day records and the first Offspring 7" for a couple bucks each in the early 90s (before either blew up.) This was a poor financial choice that my kids will pay for.

I've been putting my collection in discogs so it will be easier for the kids to sell when I die (hopefully that still will be quite a few years away, but I'm almost 50 so you never know.)

[version sound]

Green Day! I didn’t even think about them. Do “real” punks like that record, I mean, besides greg?

Which record? I think everything through Insomniac is pretty good.

Dookie, I guess. That was the huge one, right? I have found what I’ve heard by them fairly enjoyable, but I’m not really a pop punk guy beyond early Buzzcocks. That record was so huge that it’s hard for me to really see it as a legit punk record (whatever that means). I know those guys came up through the Gilman Street scene, so I can’t deny their credentials, but I’m old, and my entire experience growing up with punk rock was that it was something distinctly outside of the mainstream that older metalheads, stoners, and squares would physically threaten you for showing any interest in. I know it’s happened, but I still can’t get my heard around the idea of any punk record selling in the millions.

[the mean]

Dookie, I guess. That was the huge one, right? I have found what I’ve heard by them fairly enjoyable, but I’m not really a pop punk guy beyond early Buzzcocks. That record was so huge that it’s hard for me to really see it as a legit punk record (whatever that means). I know those guys came up through the Gilman Street scene, so I can’t deny their credentials, but I’m old, and my entire experience growing up with punk rock was that it was something distinctly outside of the mainstream that older metalheads, stoners, and squares would physically threaten you for showing any interest in. I know it’s happened, but I still can’t get my heard around the idea of any punk record selling in the millions.

I get all that. I'm from Sacramento so I grew up with the Gilman scene in the 80s and used to go down there at least once a weekend. I've seen Green Day / Sweet Children probably 20-30 times, with the last time being in 1994 on the first show of the Dookie tour. I took the earliest live photos of the band. The thing about them is that they wrote these catchy pop songs that everyone loved right from the beginning and they would play anywhere, anytime with anyone. John would call me ALL THE TIME to try to get on every show I booked in Davis at the time.

That being said, I'm happy for them but I'll always be a DIY guy. I prefer basement shows. Sarah Kirsch said, "they offered you a million bucks, but I won't be your steady fuck" which is an amazing lyric/diss. I tuned Green Day out a bit by the mid 90s and only recently starting poking through their catalog again. It's hard to maintain an unbiased perspective on the whole thing.

[the mean]

Because I like lists...

Punk/HC 7"s released in 1990 or later generally aren't worth anything compared to punk/HC 80s 7"s. Probably because there were a shit-ton more of them and there were functional labels keeping them in print. Here are the Top 10 (by max value) punk/HC 7"s released after 1990 from my discogs collection.

Rudimentary Peni - The Underclass
7", EP
Outer Himalayan Records, booboo 7
2000 UK
$129.99

Lucero - My Best Girl / Kiss The Bottle
7", Single
Landmark Records Land 007
1999 US
$125.00

Hot Snakes - I Shall Be Free
7", Pin
P U 0003
2020 US
$100.00

Gauge (3) - Carving Belt / Midwest
7", Ltd
Shakefork Records none
1992 US
$100.00

Breakwater (3) - Five
7"
Static Records (8) STATIC RECORDS-001
1995 US
$99.99

Cap'n Jazz - Boys 16 To 18 Years...Age Of Action
7", EP, Blu
Further Beyond Records FB004
1993 US
$90.00

Calm (4) - Moonraker
7", Ltd
Needlepoint (2) NP-001
1996 US
$80.34

Current (3) / Indian Summer - Current / Indian Summer
7"
Homemade Records (4) # 6
1993 USA & Canada
$77.38

Still Life (2) / Evergreen (3) - Split E.P.
7", EP
Anomaly ANOM 001
1993 US
$76.47

Christie Front Drive / Jimmy Eat World - Split
7", Single
Wooden Blue Records none
1995 US
$70.00

I did not include the OP Ivy - "Plea for Peace" 7" (recorded in the 80s, released in 1992) or the "Mission District" (box set, with the best Jawbreaker song) in this list.

[jaybird]

My late 80s/early 90s band opened for The Offspring at an American Legion Hall show in Ferndale, MI in 1990. It was an early all ages show, and we had a 2nd show booked in Detroit later that night, so we only stuck around to watch a few songs of their set before we loaded out to get to our next gig for soundcheck. I felt kinda guilty/lame for bailing on them during their set so I bought a copy of their first album on my way out the door... last time I checked on discogs, the median price was like $200 I think. I still have it, but since it's kind of a shitty record, I should probably sell it.

[the mean]

My late 80s/early 90s band opened for The Offspring at an American Legion Hall show in Ferndale, MI in 1990. It was an early all ages show, and we had a 2nd show booked in Detroit later that night, so we only stuck around to watch a few songs of their set before we loaded out to get to our next gig for soundcheck. I felt kinda guilty/lame for bailing on them during their set so I bought a copy of their first album on my way out the door... last time I checked on discogs, the median price was like $200 I think. I still have it, but since it's kind of a shitty record, I should probably sell it.

We played a hometown show opening for the Offspring the night before leaving on my first US tour in 1993. The Offspring pressured the teenager booking the show to go to his ATM and get them more money. We ended up leaving for tour without getting paid.

[On the plus side, we did a six week tour in a pickup truck with a camper shell. Gas was 99 cents a gallon that summer, and we could fill the tank for $15. Got about 350-400 miles to the tank.]

[drew]

Cast Iron Hike- “we must burn” Lots,of folks called this the “master of puppets” of HC. It’s a good album for metalcore
But otherwise I didn’t get the hype.

[drew]

Question: Does the Dischord 7” box set kill the value of those records?

[version sound]

Question: Does the Dischord 7” box set kill the value of those records?

Not a chance. Even early pressings of the 12” with the first two Minor Threat EPs go for around $100 these days. That stuff isn’t going down in value in the foreseeable future.

[Knutsen]

Leatherface - MUSH goes for 100£ up to 250€ on discogs for the first UK/EU pressing of 1991.

[JGJR]

Cast Iron Hike- “we must burn” Lots,of folks called this the “master of puppets” of HC. It’s a good album for metalcore
But otherwise I didn’t get the hype.

Maybe it's gone up in value in the past few years because one of its members is the host of Disgraceland podcast now?

[JGJR]

Leatherface - MUSH goes for 100£ up to 250€ on discogs for the first UK/EU pressing of 1991.

Glad I picked up the recent reissue in a store here for a fraction of that! Incredible record.

[JGJR]

I did not include the OP Ivy - "Plea for Peace" 7" (recorded in the 80s, released in 1992) or the "Mission District" (box set, with the best Jawbreaker song) in this list.

I didn't notice this part the 1st time I read through your post. I've had a copy since '92 or something (link to the version I have is below). It still should have the Vintage Vinyl sticker on it, but apparently, a lot of unofficial ones got out there to stores, etc.?

https://www.discogs.com/release/3295956 ... -For-Peace

Anyway, I had no idea how much it goes for now since its sale is blocked but I noticed the white vinyl version goes for some cash now.

[Gary]

https://www.popsike.com/Operation-Ivy-P ... 55290.html

[patient_ot]

Plenty of non-U.S. hardcore records from after 1990 aren't exactly cheap.

https://www.discogs.com/release/1286758 ... nd-Of-Pain

https://www.discogs.com/release/1797831 ... ossibility

Just 2 examples for you.

[patient_ot]

Cast Iron Hike- “we must burn” Lots,of folks called this the “master of puppets” of HC. It’s a good album for metalcore
But otherwise I didn’t get the hype.

That band had a much different sound on their earlier EPs. What happened is when they signed to Victory the label got them a very generic production job to try to fit in with a bunch of other bands on the label. It didn't really work and a lot of folks panned that album at the time.

[version sound]

Plenty of non-U.S. hardcore records from after 1990 aren't exactly cheap.

https://www.discogs.com/release/1286758 ... nd-Of-Pain

https://www.discogs.com/release/1797831 ... ossibility

Just 2 examples for you.

I wasn’t really thinking of Japanese hardcore, but you are absolutely right; there was a load of great Japanese HC in the ‘90s that is on smart punks’ want lists.