version sound wrote:I don’t know what I’m doing here. I can’t imagine many of you are going to have any interest in any of this. Maybe Greg? Maybe JGJR for some of it. Maybe Midge, if we talk about Madonna. First thing: I don’t keep up with any of this stuff. My exposure is 99% through my kid. A lot of it is not stuff I would listen to on my own, but I don’t recall ever hearing anything she liked that I thought was actually bad. YMMV, as a lot of middle aged rock dudes hate all modern pop on principle.
First up: Taylor Swift’s Evermore. I’m not sure if this is her newest record or not. She’s apparently released two this year. Actually, to call this pop is probably pretty inaccurate. There isn’t a whole lot on it that is upbeat or poppy. A lot of it is ruminations on loss in one form or another. It almost feels like her Mark Kozelek moment. I don’t think that I’ve ever been shy about admitting that I liked her music, but this one is on a deeper level for me. I would actually listen to this one on my own, not just in the car with the kid.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:Yup, it’s the one with the National dude, because they duet on one track.
My daughter used to like some of my music (Best Coast, Sundays, even Nico and Give), but then she turned a corner and now she doesn’t like any of it. I haven’t heard Lover yet, but I did buy the kid the Target vinyl on Saturday.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
pedro wrote:I have heard everything Taylor Swift has ever put out and I have seen her live thanks to my niece and daughter. There are some songs that get stuck in my head and I sing out loud, usually with my daughter correcting my idea of the lyrics. I know most of Redthrough Lover. I have heard the two “new ones” a little bit and they seem pretty good, but the funny thing is as my daughter gets older, the less I hear Taylor’s music because my daughter is listening on head phones in her room with the door shut.
The joy of having a teenager.
scannest wrote:Do Playboi Carti, Travis Scott, and Childish Gambino count as Modern Pop? Isn't pop synonymous with hip hop in 2021?
jaybird wrote:I've always gone by the maxim that a good song is a good song, no matter the genre, level of airplay, whatever. The last time this topic was kicked around here, I think I mentioned that I think "Shake it Off" was one of the best songs of the 2010s... I'd say the same about "Call Me Maybe" by Carly Rae Jepsen, "Locked Out of Heaven" by Bruno Mars, "Happy" by Pharrell Williams, etc. These are all great songs that people will remember the last decade by in the same way people think of the 70s when they hear "Dancing Queen", or the 80s when they hear "Beat It", or the 90s when they hear "MmmmBop"... I do think the vast majority of modern pop music is garbage, but I also thought the same thing about what was "pop" music 25, 30, even 40 years ago now. But there's always a few gems every year that become huge songs that cut through all the crap and have nearly universal, lasting appeal.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
pedro wrote:1. When I took my daughter to see Harry Potter on Broadway a couple of years ago, I ended up standing next to Billie Eilish on the street after the show. I had no idea who she was but my daughter was very excited.
2. Since then, Billie Eilish has done something or said something (I think homophobic, but I don't remember) and now my daughter hates her.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:How old was Justin Bieber when his first hit song came out? Not sure if he was a teenager or whether that song had any lasting impression.
scannest wrote:Christgau called Eilish's first full length the best debut by a teenager since Elvis Presley (I guess Elvis first entered Sun Studios when he was 19. "That's Alright" came out a couple months later).
At first I thought that was pure hyperbole, but then I started to think - how many actual teenagers have recorded and released important, impactful music? Of the top of my head, I'm thinking Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson although it's easy to argue that neither one reached anything near a peak until well into their 20s.
Any thoughts?
version sound wrote:The Sex Pistols were 19 or 20 when Bollocks came out. Rites of Spring were in their late teens when they recorded their album. I’m pretty sure Void and Faith were high school kids. Lots of young people in punk/hardcore.
version sound wrote:If you are a grouchy old man who doesn’t like hardcore, then sure.
scannest wrote:version sound wrote:If you are a grouchy old man who doesn’t like hardcore, then sure.
You have your answer (although I'm not actually all that grouchy)!
version sound wrote:If you are a grouchy old man who doesn’t like hardcore, then sure. But if you actually do, it means something. No one ever made a better hardcore record than the Void side of Faith/Void. Alec was 17 when Subject to Change came out, which is also an all time top 10 hardcore record.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:STC is a massively important proto-Revolution Summer type record, too.
scannest wrote:JGJR wrote:STC is a massively important proto-Revolution Summer type record, too.
Isn't that kinda like saying "Arli$$ is a massively important proto-Pay Cable type sitcom?" I mean, I'm not gonna argue you're factually incorrect, but...
And yeah I'm being a dick but I did ask for teenage artists that might compare to Elvis and yer giving me Void and Faith.
version sound wrote:Well, I’d love to know how Billie Eilish is comparable to Elvis in any way. She is certainly talented, and I enjoy what I’ve heard by her, but the initial comparison itself seems awfully dubious.
scannest wrote:JGJR wrote:STC is a massively important proto-Revolution Summer type record, too.
Isn't that kinda like saying "Arli$$ is a massively important proto-Pay Cable type sitcom?" I mean, I'm not gonna argue you're factually incorrect, but...
And yeah I'm being a dick but I did ask for teenage artists that might compare to Elvis and yer giving me Void and Faith.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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