xxxMidgexxx wrote:37 years ago...
I was confused and captivated. And kinda scared.
SamDBL wrote:
Also, apparently, some sort of anniversary for this ep. what are your thoughts on this one?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:SamDBL wrote:
Also, apparently, some sort of anniversary for this ep. what are your thoughts on this one?
Hell yes! Love this. Got it immediately when it came out.
SamDBL wrote:I used to think it was their peak. It was fucking *good*. I was really bummed they didn’t continue with this path and this line up. But I read one of them saying in an interview that Bill Steer was losing interest at that point, and he was coming to them with throw away Carcass riffs that didn’t make the cut. Doesn’t make me like this release any less. But now I can’t I hear the Carcass similarities.
xxxMidgexxx wrote: I didn't love the way they veered into death metal at that point. I much preferred the purist grind/extreme noise they started.
xxxMidgexxx wrote: And they do a great Sonic Youth cover as well.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote: I didn't love the way they veered into death metal at that point. I much preferred the purist grind/extreme noise they started.
This. So much this. Scum blew me away when I first heard it; still love it today, 30 years later (crazy). Even when 90% of what I was listening to was punk/hardcore/emo/post hardcore, et al., I always made room for stuff like ND. It felt more like the ultra-fast/brutal Slap-A-Ham/Sound Pollution type stuff I got into a little later in the '90s as opposed to any metal I'd listened to before that (or since then, really).xxxMidgexxx wrote: And they do a great Sonic Youth cover as well.
Oh nice, what song?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote: I didn't love the way they veered into death metal at that point. I much preferred the purist grind/extreme noise they started.
This. So much this. Scum blew me away when I first heard it; still love it today, 30 years later (crazy). Even when 90% of what I was listening to was punk/hardcore/emo/post hardcore, et al., I always made room for stuff like ND. It felt more like the ultra-fast/brutal Slap-A-Ham/Sound Pollution type stuff I got into a little later in the '90s as opposed to any metal I'd listened to before that (or since then, really).xxxMidgexxx wrote: And they do a great Sonic Youth cover as well.
Oh nice, what song?
Kotton Krown (from 'Sister')
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote: I didn't love the way they veered into death metal at that point. I much preferred the purist grind/extreme noise they started.
This. So much this. Scum blew me away when I first heard it; still love it today, 30 years later (crazy). Even when 90% of what I was listening to was punk/hardcore/emo/post hardcore, et al., I always made room for stuff like ND. It felt more like the ultra-fast/brutal Slap-A-Ham/Sound Pollution type stuff I got into a little later in the '90s as opposed to any metal I'd listened to before that (or since then, really).xxxMidgexxx wrote: And they do a great Sonic Youth cover as well.
Oh nice, what song?
Kotton Krown (from 'Sister')
Wouldn't imagine ND covering that song in a million years; will have to look that up; thanks.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote: I didn't love the way they veered into death metal at that point. I much preferred the purist grind/extreme noise they started.
This. So much this. Scum blew me away when I first heard it; still love it today, 30 years later (crazy). Even when 90% of what I was listening to was punk/hardcore/emo/post hardcore, et al., I always made room for stuff like ND. It felt more like the ultra-fast/brutal Slap-A-Ham/Sound Pollution type stuff I got into a little later in the '90s as opposed to any metal I'd listened to before that (or since then, really).xxxMidgexxx wrote: And they do a great Sonic Youth cover as well.
Oh nice, what song?
Kotton Krown (from 'Sister')
Wouldn't imagine ND covering that song in a million years; will have to look that up; thanks.
My mistake... it was WHITE KROSS.
My old band used to cover Kotton Krown. LOL
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:I've never heard your old band's cover of "Kotton Krown" but now I would like to.
AssWreckersInc wrote:I remember Iggy Pop mentioning in a televised interview around ‘88 or maybe ‘90 how much he loved Napalm Death.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:Ronnie James Dio is on record in many interviews talking about how Napalm Death were one of his favorites in the "new" crop of bands.
patient_ot wrote:Later period BF is a tough go for me. Maybe at some point I'll give that stuff another chance. Even albums like MW and SII, which I like somewhat, I don't really put on when I want to hear BF.
FWIW I appreciate the influence they had on other bands when they started to experiment more.
AssWreckersInc wrote:Black Flag stuff after Slip It In just sorta dragged on for me. It was very stock sounding at that point.
When Rollins put out Life Time, to me, that’s what Black Flag should have been striving for. It’s a nice sequel to Black Flag considering Andrew Weiss almost became Black Flag’s bassist.
version sound wrote:I’ve told this story before, but it bears repeating, I bought Damaged in 1982, quickly followed by all their previous EPs. Then that fucking court case happened, and there was no new BF until 1984. Not only was 2 years a looong fucking time to wait for a record when you are 11-13 years old, it was a goddamn epoch in the life of early hardcore. Things moved fast then, and the musical landscape of 1984 was nothing like it was in 1982. It was pretty fucking dismal, in fact. But FINALLY, there was a new Black Flag record to make it all better. Except that record was My War, and it kinda sucked. I always liked side 2, so don’t paint me as some kind of speed-first philistine, it was the songs on side 1 where Henry actually tried to sing that left me cold (and still do to a certain extent). It just seemed like a bunch of rock’n’roll bullshit to me. Slip It In was a bit of an improvement (except for the full-cringe of the title track), but before long, I had to acknowledge that Black Flag just wasn’t the band I loved anymore.
As for Rollins Band, I actually preferred them to late Black Flag. Some of the fire was back, and, maybe most importantly, it wasn’t being sold as Black Flag, which those later records bear little resemblance to, at least if you’re talking about the band that made everything up to the TV Party EP. I know that some of you poor souls heard that late trash first and forever had your impression of Black Flag ruined, and for that I truly feel sorry for you. Black Flag weren’t always a bunch of potheads (ok, maybe just Greg) pioneering grunge, and I am deeply sorry that was your first impression of them.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:I’ve told this story before, but it bears repeating, I bought Damaged in 1982, quickly followed by all their previous EPs. Then that fucking court case happened, and there was no new BF until 1984. Not only was 2 years a looong fucking time to wait for a record when you are 11-13 years old, it was a goddamn epoch in the life of early hardcore. Things moved fast then, and the musical landscape of 1984 was nothing like it was in 1982. It was pretty fucking dismal, in fact. But FINALLY, there was a new Black Flag record to make it all better. Except that record was My War, and it kinda sucked. I always liked side 2, so don’t paint me as some kind of speed-first philistine, it was the songs on side 1 where Henry actually tried to sing that left me cold (and still do to a certain extent). It just seemed like a bunch of rock’n’roll bullshit to me. Slip It In was a bit of an improvement (except for the full-cringe of the title track), but before long, I had to acknowledge that Black Flag just wasn’t the band I loved anymore.
As for Rollins Band, I actually preferred them to late Black Flag. Some of the fire was back, and, maybe most importantly, it wasn’t being sold as Black Flag, which those later records bear little resemblance to, at least if you’re talking about the band that made everything up to the TV Party EP. I know that some of you poor souls heard that late trash first and forever had your impression of Black Flag ruined, and for that I truly feel sorry for you. Black Flag weren’t always a bunch of potheads (ok, maybe just Greg) pioneering grunge, and I am deeply sorry that was your first impression of them.
Cool story. As I've probably mentioned, I didn't discover hardcore until the 90s, so that is when I heard BF. I heard the First 4 Years first, then Damaged afterwards. I loved most of F4Y right away, but Damaged took some time to grow on me. I didn't like the later stuff at all when I first heard it, despite it being a big influence on bands I liked at the time, e.g. Deadguy/Kiss It Goodbye and such.
I don't think I've ever heard a complete Rollins Band album. I liked some songs here and there but don't know much about their catalog.
I also agree that 2 years is long time between albums for a punk/hc/indie band. Even in the 90s it felt like a long time and plenty of bands lost momentum or split up from stuff like that. In the 80s I imagine it would have been even worse for a band to go that long without releasing a record. The change in sound afterwards must have been very jarring.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote: I didn't love the way they veered into death metal at that point. I much preferred the purist grind/extreme noise they started.
This. So much this. Scum blew me away when I first heard it; still love it today, 30 years later (crazy). Even when 90% of what I was listening to was punk/hardcore/emo/post hardcore, et al., I always made room for stuff like ND. It felt more like the ultra-fast/brutal Slap-A-Ham/Sound Pollution type stuff I got into a little later in the '90s as opposed to any metal I'd listened to before that (or since then, really).xxxMidgexxx wrote: And they do a great Sonic Youth cover as well.
Oh nice, what song?
Kotton Krown (from 'Sister')
Wouldn't imagine ND covering that song in a million years; will have to look that up; thanks.
My mistake... it was WHITE KROSS.
My old band used to cover Kotton Krown. LOL
AssWreckersInc wrote:patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:I’ve told this story before, but it bears repeating, I bought Damaged in 1982, quickly followed by all their previous EPs. Then that fucking court case happened, and there was no new BF until 1984. Not only was 2 years a looong fucking time to wait for a record when you are 11-13 years old, it was a goddamn epoch in the life of early hardcore. Things moved fast then, and the musical landscape of 1984 was nothing like it was in 1982. It was pretty fucking dismal, in fact. But FINALLY, there was a new Black Flag record to make it all better. Except that record was My War, and it kinda sucked. I always liked side 2, so don’t paint me as some kind of speed-first philistine, it was the songs on side 1 where Henry actually tried to sing that left me cold (and still do to a certain extent). It just seemed like a bunch of rock’n’roll bullshit to me. Slip It In was a bit of an improvement (except for the full-cringe of the title track), but before long, I had to acknowledge that Black Flag just wasn’t the band I loved anymore.
As for Rollins Band, I actually preferred them to late Black Flag. Some of the fire was back, and, maybe most importantly, it wasn’t being sold as Black Flag, which those later records bear little resemblance to, at least if you’re talking about the band that made everything up to the TV Party EP. I know that some of you poor souls heard that late trash first and forever had your impression of Black Flag ruined, and for that I truly feel sorry for you. Black Flag weren’t always a bunch of potheads (ok, maybe just Greg) pioneering grunge, and I am deeply sorry that was your first impression of them.
Cool story. As I've probably mentioned, I didn't discover hardcore until the 90s, so that is when I heard BF. I heard the First 4 Years first, then Damaged afterwards. I loved most of F4Y right away, but Damaged took some time to grow on me. I didn't like the later stuff at all when I first heard it, despite it being a big influence on bands I liked at the time, e.g. Deadguy/Kiss It Goodbye and such.
I don't think I've ever heard a complete Rollins Band album. I liked some songs here and there but don't know much about their catalog.
I also agree that 2 years is long time between albums for a punk/hc/indie band. Even in the 90s it felt like a long time and plenty of bands lost momentum or split up from stuff like that. In the 80s I imagine it would have been even worse for a band to go that long without releasing a record. The change in sound afterwards must have been very jarring.
Go listen to Rollins Band’s Life Time right now bromie. It sounds like Black Flag meets like Wire and Coltrane but totally super charged with a killer rhythm section. Sim Cain is one of the top drummers and he and Andrew had been locked in since they were in high school. Life Time gets lost in the shuffle but I mean it predicted and influenced a lot of the ideas bands started kicking around in the 90’s for better or worse.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:Hot Animal Machine, Life Time, and Hard Volume are all worth checking out. Also, it’s been a long time since I heard it last, but the live record, Turned On, is amazing. That band was pretty incredible.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
FormerLurker wrote:Where was this penultimate show?
FormerLurker wrote:Where was this penultimate show?
June 26, 1986 Nectarine Ballroom, Ann Arbor, MI (supported by Painted Willie & Gone)
June 27, 1986 Graystone Hall, Detroit, MI (supported by Painted Willie & Gone. Final show)
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