scannest wrote:For me, this record immediately brings to mind the Nils' debut. That's cuz I bought both albums dutifully at the time they were released, but didn't really connect with either until much, much later. They both seemed kinda generic at the time, but now that no one is playing this type of rock anymore I can go back and really enjoy them for what they are.
jaybird wrote: What if John Kastner..
FlexMyHead wrote:jaybird wrote: What if John Kastner..
This is spot on. If you go back and listen to "Without Asking Why" there is a small vocal part that literally sounds like John on "Whatever". Of course he has his own vocal style and it varies, but that song and "Thank You" were the two songs from this release that I would always put on mixtapes from this release and while I haven't listened to the record in quite some time, I think those were the standouts. I think I heard about the band from their tours/shows with Swiz/Soulside.
jaybird wrote:FlexMyHead wrote:jaybird wrote: What if John Kastner..
This is spot on. If you go back and listen to "Without Asking Why" there is a small vocal part that literally sounds like John on "Whatever". Of course he has his own vocal style and it varies, but that song and "Thank You" were the two songs from this release that I would always put on mixtapes from this release and while I haven't listened to the record in quite some time, I think those were the standouts. I think I heard about the band from their tours/shows with Swiz/Soulside.
Yeah, he doesn't quite have the higher-register range that Kastner does, but he's definitely very similar-sounding.
jaybird wrote:scannest wrote:For me, this record immediately brings to mind the Nils' debut. That's cuz I bought both albums dutifully at the time they were released, but didn't really connect with either until much, much later. They both seemed kinda generic at the time, but now that no one is playing this type of rock anymore I can go back and really enjoy them for what they are.
I kinda agree with this, especially on the "no one is playing this sort of rock any more" angle, but I think the Nils are in a class by themselves... one of the best records of the 80s, IMO. Thought so then, think so now.
I bought this record right around the same time though, like 88 or 89 and kind of thought of it as a bit generic/2nd string Dag wannabe as well, but it has grown on me considerably over the years, and as you mentioned, this sort of melodic hardcore that straddles the line with pop-punk is pretty much non-existent these days. I keep waiting for some band(s) or scene to resurrect this whole sound, but most nu-skool hardcore punk over the last 20 years or so just sounds like nth generation NOFX or Pennywise shit... Maybe this sort of thing was just a unique product of its time, I dunno.
drew wrote:jaybird wrote:scannest wrote:For me, this record immediately brings to mind the Nils' debut. That's cuz I bought both albums dutifully at the time they were released, but didn't really connect with either until much, much later. They both seemed kinda generic at the time, but now that no one is playing this type of rock anymore I can go back and really enjoy them for what they are.
I kinda agree with this, especially on the "no one is playing this sort of rock any more" angle, but I think the Nils are in a class by themselves... one of the best records of the 80s, IMO. Thought so then, think so now.
I bought this record right around the same time though, like 88 or 89 and kind of thought of it as a bit generic/2nd string Dag wannabe as well, but it has grown on me considerably over the years, and as you mentioned, this sort of melodic hardcore that straddles the line with pop-punk is pretty much non-existent these days. I keep waiting for some band(s) or scene to resurrect this whole sound, but most nu-skool hardcore punk over the last 20 years or so just sounds like nth generation NOFX or Pennywise shit... Maybe this sort of thing was just a unique product of its time, I dunno.
The problem with that sound was no one liked it. LOL UC & 7Secs shows were less crowded when they went "Melodic" It seems like the bands that went in that direction made amazing music but had lass fortune than with str8-up HC When 7Secs came back as three-piece playing the old(school) stuff they became very popular again.
SamDBL wrote:jaybird wrote:FlexMyHead wrote:jaybird wrote: What if John Kastner..
This is spot on. If you go back and listen to "Without Asking Why" there is a small vocal part that literally sounds like John on "Whatever". Of course he has his own vocal style and it varies, but that song and "Thank You" were the two songs from this release that I would always put on mixtapes from this release and while I haven't listened to the record in quite some time, I think those were the standouts. I think I heard about the band from their tours/shows with Swiz/Soulside.
Yeah, he doesn't quite have the higher-register range that Kastner does, but he's definitely very similar-sounding.
I remember hearing the kastner vocal thing back in the day. Incidentally, I always thought kastner had such a unique vocal style on the early doughboys stuff, as well as when he was in the asexuals. He once told me that that the dead boys were a huge influence on him. I didn’t understand until I heard the stir bators solo stuff, where I can totally hear shadows of John’s vocal delivery.
Secondly, I remember telling the singer for slap of reality that bill D’S voice sounded strikingly similar to his. Like, totally. Not to mention the band in general. He refused to acknowledge it.
the mean wrote:I always wondered if Eddie Vedder liked this record. I could definitely see this as an influence on his vocal style. Then later American Standard really went with the Vedder-ish vocals.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:SamDBL wrote:jaybird wrote:FlexMyHead wrote:jaybird wrote: What if John Kastner..
This is spot on. If you go back and listen to "Without Asking Why" there is a small vocal part that literally sounds like John on "Whatever". Of course he has his own vocal style and it varies, but that song and "Thank You" were the two songs from this release that I would always put on mixtapes from this release and while I haven't listened to the record in quite some time, I think those were the standouts. I think I heard about the band from their tours/shows with Swiz/Soulside.
Yeah, he doesn't quite have the higher-register range that Kastner does, but he's definitely very similar-sounding.
I remember hearing the kastner vocal thing back in the day. Incidentally, I always thought kastner had such a unique vocal style on the early doughboys stuff, as well as when he was in the asexuals. He once told me that that the dead boys were a huge influence on him. I didn’t understand until I heard the stir bators solo stuff, where I can totally hear shadows of John’s vocal delivery.
Secondly, I remember telling the singer for slap of reality that bill D’S voice sounded strikingly similar to his. Like, totally. Not to mention the band in general. He refused to acknowledge it.
Definitely hear the similarity to Kastner in both of these.... the Stiv thing is funny... never would have made the connection without you pointing it out.
As far as the overall acceptance or not of these bands at the time, it seems like bands that started "evolving" into that sort of sound, like Dag or 7 Seconds definitely met with more resistance from their already established "hardcore" fanbase, than bands like The Doughboys who came more or less ready-made/out-of-the-box with that whole style.
SamDBL wrote:Definitely those bands had an uphill battle against their own audience. Most of the time I *liked* when those bands went more mellow if they did it well. My favorite 7 Seconds stuff is new wind and ourselves. But most of their fans just despise that era.
patient_ot wrote:Here's my copy:
Here's the album on YT:
The album is definitely worth seeking out IMHO, and it's not too expensive. Note that the actual record or CD should sound better than any YT upload.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
lewdd wrote:I did my quick 2 minute listen of the entire album approach on this album and can say I probably would have really liked this back in the day. It may not be too late for me to really get into it either. I hear a little bit of the Shattered Faith singers vocals in this band's vox.
drew wrote:lewdd wrote:I did my quick 2 minute listen of the entire album approach on this album and can say I probably would have really liked this back in the day. It may not be too late for me to really get into it either. I hear a little bit of the Shattered Faith singers vocals in this band's vox.
You’re driving me crazy, Lewdd! Listen to the songs!!!
the mean wrote:Not sure I've ever seen any live footage on YouTube, but my friend Shayne just uploaded a Jersey Beat video with a couple songs:
https://sacramentomusicarchive.com/1991 ... njhc-nyhc/
Starts at right about the one hour mark.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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