the mean wrote:JAWBREAKER - Dear You
SUNNY DAY REAL ESTATE - The Rising Tide
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:Scream - No More Censorship
captain2man wrote:JGJR wrote:Scream - No More Censorship
Have you heard the Southern Lord remix/remaster of this? (NMC-17)
I really like it - probably better than Banging the Drum. To be fair - I never heard the original RAS Records version....but a friend was over the other night who doesn't like that album at all....but he heard the new version and he completely dug it.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
gregpolard wrote:The Southern Lord remix/reissue of No More Censorship shows that it's actually a really good record.
gregpolard wrote:The Southern Lord remix/reissue of No More Censorship shows that it's actually a really good record.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:Late era SDRE was a tough pill for me. I thought they sounded like Rush at that point, which I pretty much can't stand. Haven't heard that stuff in years though.
The first 2 albums were great though, and the third was pretty good. I need another copy of that one. They were great when I saw them live in '97 or '98.
Kinda waiting for the Clash's Cut the Crap to show up here...
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:The Southern Lord remix/reissue of No More Censorship shows that it's actually a really good record.
I haven't heard the remix, to be fair, though I would like to, but I have heard the original version and I think it fits this thread perfectly.
jaybird wrote:JGJR wrote:gregpolard wrote:The Southern Lord remix/reissue of No More Censorship shows that it's actually a really good record.
I haven't heard the remix, to be fair, though I would like to, but I have heard the original version and I think it fits this thread perfectly.
I don't see how in the world re-mixing/re-mastering would fix the bad songs and ridiculous butt-rock vocals, which are way bigger problems with that record, IMO.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:
Cut the Crap would definitely be one for me, but it's really a Joe Strummer/Bernie Rhodes album more than a Clash album of any sort. Oh and Gang of Four's Hard, too, at least from the original run. None of the reunion albums really grabbed me, either, though, but they're mostly decent.
SDRE - I actually like Rush (I know there are a few others on here like hal who do as well), so I welcomed that sound, but it was also the first one I heard. I don't know how because I saw about 10 million bands that sounded like them or were influenced by them in basements in the '90s, but I managed to not hear the 1st 3 until right after The Rising Tide came out and I got really into it.
This isn't a popular opinion since I feel like I have to defend it every few months or so on here or in general, but I think it's an incredible record full of great songs, unbelievable production courtesy of Lou Giordano, and lots of twists and turns (while remaining accessible; not an easy trick) that didn't really give a toss what the emo kids thought and I gotta say I love everything about it for those reasons. It should've been huge, too, but Time Bomb really screwed the pooch on that one. I think it would also be better liked if they'd changed their name or if it was their only album or something, but it also might've gotten a slightly different (maybe bigger) alt-rock audience (or not). It still may have been way too weird/challenging for the mainstream then.
It's kind of their Field Day except it actually sounds good sonically and not muddy like FD does (still love it, though).
JGJR wrote:Scream - No More Censorship
patient_ot wrote:Uniform Choice - Staring At The Sun anyone?
patient_ot wrote:Uniform Choice - Staring At The Sun anyone? I guess they only made 2 real albums but this is just not good to me. Over the years people have tried to convince me to revisit this album but it still sounds awful to me. The singing isn't good and the production sucks. Not to mention UC were better at playing HC with some melody than trying to be a commercial hard rock band. I don't like Mindfunk either. Sorry guys.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
version sound wrote:I honestly can’t think of one. Generally, if I like a band, I find even their worst records tolerable (see SSD’s Break It Up). Part of me hates later Black Flag for not being as good as early Black Flag, but nothing they did was unlistenable. Maybe “Big Star’s” In Space? That record’s complete bullshit, but I’d rather not even give it the dignity of being acknowledged as an actual Big Star record.
version sound wrote:I honestly can’t think of one. Generally, if I like a band, I find even their worst records tolerable (see SSD’s Break It Up). Part of me hates later Black Flag for not being as good as early Black Flag, but nothing they did was unlistenable. Maybe “Big Star’s” In Space? That record’s complete bullshit, but I’d rather not even give it the dignity of being acknowledged as an actual Big Star record.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
drew wrote:Led Zeppelin- Presence - I love pretty much all Zep but this album has two good songs and I never feel like throwing it on.
The Clash- Cut The Crap
Thin Lizzy- Renegade. I think I’ve heard all of the studio albums. A couplee aren’t great but most of it is. Except this shitty record.
The Stooges- The Weirdness. I love everything Stooges including the other reunion album and some newer songs. But this album sucks.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:I honestly can’t think of one. Generally, if I like a band, I find even their worst records tolerable (see SSD’s Break It Up). Part of me hates later Black Flag for not being as good as early Black Flag, but nothing they did was unlistenable. Maybe “Big Star’s” In Space? That record’s complete bullshit, but I’d rather not even give it the dignity of being acknowledged as an actual Big Star record.
I dunno, I find that later SSD stuff pretty awful and a tough slog. Note to hardcore bands: don't try to be AC/DC or Aerosmith. You're just not good at that stuff.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:I dunno, I find that later SSD stuff pretty awful and a tough slog. Note to hardcore bands: don't try to be AC/DC or Aerosmith. You're just not good at that stuff.
JGJR wrote:drew wrote:The Stooges- The Weirdness. I love everything Stooges including the other reunion album and some newer songs. But this album sucks.
100% agreed on The Weirdness. That record suuucks and I say this as someone who really likes Ready to Die enough to recently purchase a vinyl copy. The Weirdness is a mess full of juvenile lyrics and what sounds like deliberately shitty music.
JGJR wrote:version sound wrote:I honestly can’t think of one. Generally, if I like a band, I find even their worst records tolerable (see SSD’s Break It Up). Part of me hates later Black Flag for not being as good as early Black Flag, but nothing they did was unlistenable. Maybe “Big Star’s” In Space? That record’s complete bullshit, but I’d rather not even give it the dignity of being acknowledged as an actual Big Star record.
It's a Chilton solo record with a great Jon Auer as Chris Bell track thrown in, so it's definitely not '70s Big Star in any way, shape, or form, but (hot take coming) I really like it and I've always thought it to be quite underrated and overlooked. Your tolerance for it likely depends heavily on your opinion of Chilton's solo work, though. I think it's by and large great, but I know some who just stick to the Big Star records and call it a day. That's your choice, of course, but you're missing a fuck ton of great music IMO from The Box Tops to his late '60s/early '70s recordings to of course his solo career from the late '70s up to, well, In Space, since that was the last album of new material that came out in his lifetime iirc.
version sound wrote: The whole Stooges reunion was just some cynical bullshit to try to revive his career. I preordered the damn vinyl from the UK. I wanted to like it, but it just sucked. Ready To Die is much better, but I’ve still never given it a second listen.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:version sound wrote: The whole Stooges reunion was just some cynical bullshit to try to revive his career. I preordered the damn vinyl from the UK. I wanted to like it, but it just sucked. Ready To Die is much better, but I’ve still never given it a second listen.
Of course it was (I never fault any artist for trying to make a living, though), but the 2003 reunion show I saw (first of 3 or 4x seeing that lineup and I saw the Williamson lineup once, too) is still the best thing I've ever seen, bar none.
version sound wrote:My main problem was that he treated the Ashetons like shit for decades, then when it was convenient for him (and good for his career), deigned to work with them again. He really is an egomaniac asshole.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:Joni Mitchell 'Blue' (with the exception of the song "River") which is so good that ..in the words of Nigel Tufnel..."makes me weep instantly".
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:drew wrote:Led Zeppelin- Presence - I love pretty much all Zep but this album has two good songs and I never feel like throwing it on.
The Clash- Cut The Crap
Thin Lizzy- Renegade. I think I’ve heard all of the studio albums. A couplee aren’t great but most of it is. Except this shitty record.
The Stooges- The Weirdness. I love everything Stooges including the other reunion album and some newer songs. But this album sucks.
100% agreed on The Weirdness. That record suuucks and I say this as someone who really likes Ready to Die enough to recently purchase a vinyl copy. The Weirdness is a mess full of juvenile lyrics and what sounds like deliberately shitty music.
Zeppelin - agreed on Presernce (those 2 songs are straight fire, though), but I also think In Through the Out Door is similar in that I enjoy 3 songs on it, too '68-'75 is flawless, though, of course; one of the greatest runs evah
Never heard Renegade, so no comment there; the only Thin Lizzy album I've ever owned is Jailbreak, which I love a lot to the point where I have several copies (a '70s press and a European reissue from this century that is awesome). Where should I go from there?
JGJR wrote:version sound wrote:My main problem was that he treated the Ashetons like shit for decades, then when it was convenient for him (and good for his career), deigned to work with them again. He really is an egomaniac asshole.
He's been a rock star of one kind or another for over 5 decades. I'm not trying to excuse the behavior, but just saying that it's not surprising, unfortunately.
version sound wrote:
My main problem was that he treated the Ashetons like shit for decades, then when it was convenient for him (and good for his career), deigned to work with them again. He really is an egomaniac asshole.
version sound wrote:patient_ot wrote:I dunno, I find that later SSD stuff pretty awful and a tough slog. Note to hardcore bands: don't try to be AC/DC or Aerosmith. You're just not good at that stuff.
In the late ‘70s, the same uncle who eventually turned me onto punk beyond the Sex Pistols would send me records that he was tired of. There was a lot of stuff like Nugent, Thin Lizzy, and Aerosmith in there. I was also a big fan of Kiss, Van Halen, AC/DC, etc at the time. So, Break It Up isn’t exactly outside of my wheelhouse. It’s a dumb ‘70s style hard rock record that is pretty enjoyable if you like stuff like early Kiss.
drew wrote:Zep- In Through The Out Door is really good. Only 2 bad songs. Interesting listen due to Bonham & Page’s addictions getting the best of them so Plant & Jones pretty much put the whole album together and produced it.
patient_ot wrote:I just think they weren't very good at the style. Don't get me wrong, I grew up listening to classic rock radio and enjoy plenty of 70s hard rock when I'm in the mood.
version sound wrote:drew wrote:Zep- In Through The Out Door is really good. Only 2 bad songs. Interesting listen due to Bonham & Page’s addictions getting the best of them so Plant & Jones pretty much put the whole album together and produced it.
Interesting take. Most people dislike ITTOD and see Presence as the last good LZ record. I like ‘em both.
drew wrote:JGJR wrote:After Jailbreak I would check out:
Black Rose
Fighting
Bad Reputaion
Thunder & Lightning - John Sykes joins the band for some glorious riffage and the awesome “LIVE=LIFE” album.
Zep- In Through The Out Door is really good. Only 2 bad songs. Interesting listen due to Bonham & Page’s addictions getting the best of them so Plant & Jones pretty much put the whole album together and produced it.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
drew wrote:I’m sure I’ve told you this story but after seeing Elvis twice before and how incredible he was live……to score good seats at MSG and see this tour was painful. ‘Mats opened, crowd didn’t care so they started switching instruments……yea..not great…
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
patient_ot wrote:version sound wrote:
My main problem was that he treated the Ashetons like shit for decades, then when it was convenient for him (and good for his career), deigned to work with them again. He really is an egomaniac asshole.
Famous quote: "they couldn't organize a home aquarium without me".
In some ways, he's sorta like the punk version of Ozzy. He's the big personality but can't really play an instrument yet gets all the credit. Without good backing musicians, he'd have trouble doing anything.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:drew wrote:I’m sure I’ve told you this story but after seeing Elvis twice before and how incredible he was live……to score good seats at MSG and see this tour was painful. ‘Mats opened, crowd didn’t care so they started switching instruments……yea..not great…
Not sure if you have. He's still incredible live. I think that album is really underrated, honestly. What were the 2 previous times you saw him?
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