xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:TL;DW synopsis: "Because it's mostly boring, repetitive, lowest-common-denominator, programmed/marketing algorithm bullshit".
He's a little less sarcastic about it, but that's the gist of it.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:TL;DW synopsis: "Because it's mostly boring, repetitive, lowest-common-denominator, programmed/marketing algorithm bullshit".
He's a little less sarcastic about it, but that's the gist of it.
I don't know who else needs to read this (actually, I can think of one other person on here, but it's a general thing), but a lesson I learned a long time ago that is honestly difficult for me to apply as well sometimes is that often times it's HOW you talk about something/express something that matters most, not just the argument/point of view itself. In other words, if you open with sarcasm and negativity, that's what you'll likely get in return.
If, however, you come at it with open ears and try to figure out why this stuff has no appeal to you or your demographic or whatever and you just analyze the music, it's way different from Twisted Sister saying disco or rap sucks or whatever and then burning Barry White records (watch the documentary on them if you don't know WTF I'm talking about). At times, you guys were teetering on that edge. That's all I'm saying.
BTW, I don't disagree with your analysis one bit, but I'd say it's true across generations. Name an era since the early '70s when most of what's on the top of the charts is great.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
JGJR wrote: Name an era since the early '70s when most of what's on the top of the charts is great.
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:TL;DW synopsis: "Because it's mostly boring, repetitive, lowest-common-denominator, programmed/marketing algorithm bullshit".
He's a little less sarcastic about it, but that's the gist of it.
I don't know who else needs to read this (actually, I can think of one other person on here, but it's a general thing), but a lesson I learned a long time ago that is honestly difficult for me to apply as well sometimes is that often times it's HOW you talk about something/express something that matters most, not just the argument/point of view itself. In other words, if you open with sarcasm and negativity, that's what you'll likely get in return.
If, however, you come at it with open ears and try to figure out why this stuff has no appeal to you or your demographic or whatever and you just analyze the music, it's way different from Twisted Sister saying disco or rap sucks or whatever and then burning Barry White records (watch the documentary on them if you don't know WTF I'm talking about). At times, you guys were teetering on that edge. That's all I'm saying.
BTW, I don't disagree with your analysis one bit, but I'd say it's true across generations. Name an era since the early '70s when most of what's on the top of the charts is great.
gregpolard wrote:JGJR wrote:jaybird wrote:TL;DW synopsis: "Because it's mostly boring, repetitive, lowest-common-denominator, programmed/marketing algorithm bullshit".
He's a little less sarcastic about it, but that's the gist of it.
I don't know who else needs to read this (actually, I can think of one other person on here, but it's a general thing), but a lesson I learned a long time ago that is honestly difficult for me to apply as well sometimes is that often times it's HOW you talk about something/express something that matters most, not just the argument/point of view itself. In other words, if you open with sarcasm and negativity, that's what you'll likely get in return.
If, however, you come at it with open ears and try to figure out why this stuff has no appeal to you or your demographic or whatever and you just analyze the music, it's way different from Twisted Sister saying disco or rap sucks or whatever and then burning Barry White records (watch the documentary on them if you don't know WTF I'm talking about). At times, you guys were teetering on that edge. That's all I'm saying.
BTW, I don't disagree with your analysis one bit, but I'd say it's true across generations. Name an era since the early '70s when most of what's on the top of the charts is great.
Well said.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
scannest wrote:JGJR wrote: Name an era since the early '70s when most of what's on the top of the charts is great.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:Honestly, the state of current pop music is near the bottom of the list of things I think are worth caring about one way or the other. I do think it mostly sucks, for the reasons I listed above, but like you said, it's been that way near as long as I can remember, and it hasn't interfered with my enjoyment of the stuff I do care about one bit, so why get angry or lose even a minute of sleep over it?
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
jaybird wrote:FTR, I do think this is one of the greatest pop songs ever made:
Dunno how many programmed beats and sound samples are in there, but i love it no matter what.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:Sho Bee Doo Bee Doo Wop....
Talk about..........
drew wrote:Cool topic, JGJR.
Pop music is for teenagers. That’s not an insult. Teens and people sitting, waiting in Doctors offices.
I think it’s also become more of its own genre “POP”
Popular music used to be anything ......popular.
Rolling Stones had a #1 hit with “Honky Tonk Woman”
Don Maclean had a huge #1 with “American Pie”
To today’s audience that is as ancient as Glenn Miller & Benny Goodman.
I’m diverse enough, I think. One day can be 7 Seconds, Minor Threat & Black Flag and another day can Miles Davis, Sonic Youth & Nick Cave.
I have no room for Taylor Swift or Katy perry.
jaybird wrote:P.S.: "Honky Tonk Women" was the #1 song the day I was born.
True Facts.
https://www.birthdayjams.com/us/1969/08/29/
DelGriffith wrote:I plan on taking my kids to see BTS when they tour the States again..
scannest wrote:It's like a filmmaker saying "Spielberg is my idol. Every time I get behind the camera I think about how I can make my film as good as Hook"
scannest wrote:jaybird wrote:P.S.: "Honky Tonk Women" was the #1 song the day I was born.
True Facts.
https://www.birthdayjams.com/us/1969/08/29/
Damn, I got "Hello, I Love You". That sucks.
version sound wrote:I saw Smashing Pumpkins twice in their prime, shortly before Siamese Dream blew up. They were excellent both times. Then again, I’ve never had a problem with Billy’s voice. It sounded about the same to me live as it does on record.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
drew wrote:Cool topic, JGJR.
I’m diverse enough, I think. One day can be 7 Seconds, Minor Threat & Black Flag and another day can Miles Davis, Sonic Youth & Nick Cave.
I have no room for Taylor Swift or Katy perry.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:version sound wrote:I saw Smashing Pumpkins twice in their prime, shortly before Siamese Dream blew up. They were excellent both times. Then again, I’ve never had a problem with Billy’s voice. It sounded about the same to me live as it does on record.
It's taken me years to get past his voice. I was fine with it on Gish. I think that album is amazing and worked really well given how raw it is compared to what came after and so his voice was buried in the mix. The next 2 albums have some great songs for sure, but I've never really been a huge fan in general. I think I'd like them a lot more if they had a different singer tbh. Incredible guitar player, though.
patient_ot wrote:JGJR wrote:version sound wrote:I saw Smashing Pumpkins twice in their prime, shortly before Siamese Dream blew up. They were excellent both times. Then again, I’ve never had a problem with Billy’s voice. It sounded about the same to me live as it does on record.
It's taken me years to get past his voice. I was fine with it on Gish. I think that album is amazing and worked really well given how raw it is compared to what came after and so his voice was buried in the mix. The next 2 albums have some great songs for sure, but I've never really been a huge fan in general. I think I'd like them a lot more if they had a different singer tbh. Incredible guitar player, though.
His voice has always been the weakest part of the band. He's not a great singer, period. Now, I can tolerate his voice on the early stuff, but even by the third album, it can start to grate on certain songs. That's not to say there aren't some decent songs on those third and fourth albums...
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:Pop music.
I never dreamed that a country rap rocker getting butt f*cked by Satan would be considered pop music.
But a good idea is a good idea.
American pop has now taken the lead over Bowie's 'Boys Keep Swinging' wishy washy fef.
F;n limeys. Our Beatles are better than their Rolling Stones 7 out of 7 days a week.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:Pop music.
I never dreamed that a country rap rocker getting butt f*cked by Satan would be considered pop music.
But a good idea is a good idea.
American pop has now taken the lead over Bowie's 'Boys Keep Swinging' wishy washy fef.
F;n limeys. Our Beatles are better than their Rolling Stones 7 out of 7 days a week.
I don't know what Bowie or that song (or the Beatles and Stones) have to do with the rest of what you wrote here, but big ups for Lil Nas X and Cardi because they can still piss off so many people (and for other reasons) even though I typically don't voluntarily listen to their records.
JGJR wrote:I don't know what Bowie or that song (or the Beatles and Stones) have to do with the rest of what you wrote here, but big ups for Lil Nas X and Cardi because they can still piss off so many people (and for other reasons) even though I typically don't voluntarily listen to their records.
SamDBL wrote:
How is that an accomplishment? The only thing I'll say is that it's hilarious that the kind of shit evangelical psychos used to shit their pants over in the 80's has actually come to pass. 'And the homosexuals on the damn tv having sex with satan and women bragging about their lady parts.. that's what your kids are seeing on the mtv!'. Completely off base in 1980. Totally real in 2021. I'm still waiting for all of these music critic types to start citing GG Allin and the Mentors as the pioneers they were in this field. They still haven't come close to topping him, btw.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
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