pedro wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:pedro wrote:The ALL show you're talking about where Doughboys blew them away was most likely with Dave.
No, it was definitely Dave singing. The second time I saw them it was definitely Dave singing.
pedro wrote:True confessions time. I saw ALL a total of four times. Twice with Smalley. I'm not sure who I saw sing the other two times. I don;t remember the year for either show, but once was during the original run at the Cat's Cradle in NC. The other was the reunion show in San Diego where I met WrEtCH, sean and some other ALL/Dork board folks.
In short, I don't know the difference between Scott-ALL and Chad-ALL.
kel wrote:Doughboys random recollections:
I saw the Doughboys for the first time on that FinALL / MIA / Doughboys tour (June 12, 1987) at an "all-ages nightclub" in Tampa (Chances). I remember being amused at the flying wall of HAIR from the headbanging hairfarmers. In an age and culture of skinhead and "hard" shorthaird bands, these adorable muppets bouncing around was refreshingly cool!
There was a lot of talent in that band. It didn't show through as much on the early work, but by Happy Accidents there was some pretty darn talented and unique music getting laid down. As a guitarist, I find that when I listen to someone else's music and have no idea what the chords or progressions are, that makes for interesting music. Chugging along D-G-A chords is great when you want to listen to the Ramones, but when you hear that dual-attack, sitar-like weirdness, winding melodies, legit solos, and interchange between twin guitars that they did and realize that they're putting that stuff out while also bouncing around like ping-pong balls all over the stage... fun!
I think I only saw them a few times after that, until they played at Gillman when they broke up on your lawn
(Yep. Samiam lyrics / namecheck! )
("Remember when the doughboys played
At Gillman's and they broke up on your lawn?")
A freaking amazing song in it's own right:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZ8tpu_VCQ
As a weird sidenote, I was hanging out with the guys after a show somewhere... we were all sitting in their van... or someone's van... and John was rolling a joint. He politely offered me a drag, but I don't smoke the sensimilla. He was untangling his dreads, and broke an errant one off and wordlessly handed it to me. Not sure, entirely, what I should do with this offering (Say "Ick" and delouse? Start a shrine??) I stuffed it in a jacket pocket. Later, at home, I had a stuffed animal toy cow on a shelf, and I walked up, threaded the 7" dread into it's horns, and there it lived for decades afterwards, my dreadlocked cow. Decades later, my child asked me about Micro The Cow's weird hair, and I fished up a Doughboys video on YouTube, and turned the kids onto that Canadian music. It was about a 80/20 grossed out-to-impressed ratio there, IIRC.
I'm a sucker for pop covers played by punk bands, and Doughboys had the harmonies and chops to put things together. In Tiffany's heyday, doing "I think we're alone now" was better than the original Tommy James) or the mall queen's 80's take.
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fldwi2lN8X0 forward to 8:12 ) They seemed to have a new cover every year/tour. The Pere Ubu Final Solution cover didn't mean much to me, but I still appreciate it. One year they did "Real, Real, Real" by... whotheheckwasthat... Then Talking Heads on the last reunion.
There has been a mess of Doughboys live concert footage show up on YouTube in the past three years for some reason, a lot of footage that wasn't there ten years ago. I guess people must be cleaning out their VCR tape collections... Unfortunately, the clips that were posted of their reunion shows with Foo Fighters from a few years back got deleted. Which is sad, because those shows were in recent higher definition and good sound. Reference the above covers: They covered a Talking Heads song and really rocked it. There was footage with better, undistorted sound filmed at the big Foo concert, but it's now-deleted, but there's at least one clip from the secret show at the Bovine Club warmup and aftershow somewhere. At least it exists in any form:
(Cummins: "I hope I don't see this on YouTube...") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnTe1BsVyfU
Bonus footage of Brock making a guest appearance at the secret show! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSss3zJGK7I
jaybird wrote:scannest wrote:. I remember being so disappointed with HOME AGAIN after hearing those songs live some many times, but I've come to love it. I think HAPPY ACCIDENTS might be their best.
Funny, I actually have Happy Accident on the turntable as I type... I have my issues with the quality of the recording/mix on Home Again, but overall, I probably prefer it to the heavy, reverb-drenched sound of the subsequent records... that's mostly what i'm referring to with my original comment about them drifting too far into "shoe-gaze-y" territory on the later albums.
I've mentioned it before, but I do think the best song they ever wrote was on their last album, and the one that Grohl shamelessly ripped off for "Monkey Wrench"... probably their best-sounding album too, getting back to straight rock and roll guitar sound.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:jaybird wrote:2013 was 8 years ago... that's like a century ago in woke-years. If she (Patti) was up for a similar award today, I think it's very likely that she would find current progressive audiences not nearly as forgiving or capable of interpreting context or nuance.
That's debatable. She's Patti freakin' Smith. Perhaps a small, fanatic faction of woke America would object, but I'd wager that most would find a way to sweep this lyric under the rug. After all, she argued the meaning of the song back then as well. Since then, I don't think she's done anything else worth controversy.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
kel wrote: One year they did "Real, Real, Real" by... whotheheckwasthat...
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:jaybird wrote:2013 was 8 years ago... that's like a century ago in woke-years. If she (Patti) was up for a similar award today, I think it's very likely that she would find current progressive audiences not nearly as forgiving or capable of interpreting context or nuance.
That's debatable. She's Patti freakin' Smith. Perhaps a small, fanatic faction of woke America would object, but I'd wager that most would find a way to sweep this lyric under the rug. After all, she argued the meaning of the song back then as well. Since then, I don't think she's done anything else worth controversy.
Thank you for articulating what I wanted to say yesterday in response to what jaybird wrote above, but couldn't find a way of putting into words. Well put, Midge. To paraphrase Ferris Bueller, she could be a fascist anarchist, but she recorded Horses, Radio Ethiopia, Easter, and Wave (and "Piss Factory"), so I don't really give a shit.
jaybird wrote:JGJR wrote:xxxMidgexxx wrote:jaybird wrote:2013 was 8 years ago... that's like a century ago in woke-years. If she (Patti) was up for a similar award today, I think it's very likely that she would find current progressive audiences not nearly as forgiving or capable of interpreting context or nuance.
That's debatable. She's Patti freakin' Smith. Perhaps a small, fanatic faction of woke America would object, but I'd wager that most would find a way to sweep this lyric under the rug. After all, she argued the meaning of the song back then as well. Since then, I don't think she's done anything else worth controversy.
Thank you for articulating what I wanted to say yesterday in response to what jaybird wrote above, but couldn't find a way of putting into words. Well put, Midge. To paraphrase Ferris Bueller, she could be a fascist anarchist, but she recorded Horses, Radio Ethiopia, Easter, and Wave (and "Piss Factory"), so I don't really give a shit.
Yeah, I'm definitely not one to start tossing out records over stuff like this where the word is used in an obviously anti-racist context.... but I also think that the real hardcore left anti-racist/BLM/identity politics faction of the progressive movement is very quickly moving in the direction of zero-tolerance for any use of the word, no matter intent or context or how long ago it was, etc. For that crowd, the fact that Patti Smith felt free to use that word in an anti-racist song nearly 40+ years ago is just one more piece evidence in an endlessly growing list of examples of how white-supremacy and racist assumptions are deeply and hopelessly embedded in American culture, and that need to be eradicated once and for all.
SamDBL wrote:Watching the recent public immolation of Sharon Osborne and Chris whatever-his-name-is out of the blue for saying waaaaaaay less than the N-word has been a reminder of the randomness of all this.
xxxMidgexxx wrote:But perhaps I just love drone stuff in general.
JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:Watching the recent public immolation of Sharon Osborne and Chris whatever-his-name-is out of the blue for saying waaaaaaay less than the N-word has been a reminder of the randomness of all this.
I'm not a fan of Sharon for all sorts of reasons, but what exactly are you referring to? The Piers Morgan thing? Sorry (not sorry), but they're both idiots.
SamDBL wrote:JGJR wrote:SamDBL wrote:Watching the recent public immolation of Sharon Osborne and Chris whatever-his-name-is out of the blue for saying waaaaaaay less than the N-word has been a reminder of the randomness of all this.
I'm not a fan of Sharon for all sorts of reasons, but what exactly are you referring to? The Piers Morgan thing? Sorry (not sorry), but they're both idiots.
I haven’t completely researched. But from what I gather, piers pitched a fit about that nauseating Oprah interview and got publicly roasted. Sharon Osborne said she supports him. And now she is being crucified as racist, has made a shit ton of public apologies for absolutely nothing, and her show has been taken off air. I don’t care how dumb you think they are. This is a completely idiotic, made up controversy. Also, the host of the bachelor... some contestant got caught having attended an antebellum themed frat party in college. She was getting publicly eviscerated. When asked in an interview if he thought she was being treated too harshly, his answer was ‘I don’t know. Maybe’. So now *he* is branded as tangentially racist, and has been removed from his show. To prove the point, this is a guy that has totally pushed all the left wing speaking points on his show for over a decade, now.
I don’t care for these actors at all. I’m just sayin, the bachelor dude carried the sjw water for years. Sharon Osborne is no stranger to that on the Talk, either. Yet they found themselves in the crosshairs of the woke mob for, literally, no good reason. And they are both going to get their asses torched because of it. So no, patti smith and Elvis Costello are not immune from this for writing lyrics with the n word in them 30 years ago. It’s just a matter of them being so far out of the public limelight, at the moment,
jaybird wrote:Caveat: Sharon Osbourne has also been accused of using racial slurs/insults against other celebrities, so her case is not really the best example, but the Bachelor dude being kicked off the show for saying maybe the dumb chick who went to an antebellum party might not necessarily be a racist is absolutely stupid. So the larger point still stands, I think... the woke mob isn't always completely thorough or the most efficient in deciding who is in the crosshairs this week, and it often depends on whether the accused are making a lot of noise in the public eye at the moment, but once they decide on a target, they're like a pack of pitbulls on a toddler.
FormerLurker wrote:jaybird wrote:Caveat: Sharon Osbourne has also been accused of using racial slurs/insults against other celebrities, so her case is not really the best example, but the Bachelor dude being kicked off the show for saying maybe the dumb chick who went to an antebellum party might not necessarily be a racist is absolutely stupid. So the larger point still stands, I think... the woke mob isn't always completely thorough or the most efficient in deciding who is in the crosshairs this week, and it often depends on whether the accused are making a lot of noise in the public eye at the moment, but once they decide on a target, they're like a pack of pitbulls on a toddler.
Neal wrote:someone just posted 4 clips of their last recorded stuff (i think) that never got released. maybe it was up on their myspace page at some time. it sounds so good. wish it got a proper release.
Crazy Old Man wrote:Wish I never heard those samples. Now I want to hear the full versions! I'm so OCD, I can't sleep at night knowing there's recorded but unheard songs floating around by some of my favorite bands (I don't sleep well).
I'm scanning this thread...did someone mention Kastner is doing some kind of Asexuals reunion? In what shape and form? I need deets!
matt wrote:"New" Doughboys shirt available from Bifocal.
https://bifocalmedia.com/product/doughboys-2/
scannest wrote:Thanks, Matt. Been too long since I've had a Doughboys t-shirt in rotation.
jaybird wrote:scannest wrote:Neal wrote:i like the first all systems go album and got to see them in sf once, without frank daly. always mean to check out the 2nd album. just remembered there was a john kastner album released a while ago too that i should check out too.
I love the second ASG record, MON CHI CHI. My fave songs were actually by the new bass player, Thomas D'Arcy. Saw them play in front of virtually no one at a SXSW showcase.
Supposedly they recorded a bunch of stuff with Karl on bass for a rumored 3rd album... there's one tune on the 'tubes that's pretty killer:
reminds me a lot of Dave-era-ALL
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