Where It Went podcast: going thru the Revelation catalog

[JGJR]

Episode 007 is live! We discuss the legendary "The Way It Is" compilation with Rev founders Ray Cappo and Jordan Cooper. Get into it!

EPIC!

Great episode! You all are gonna love this one.

P.S. FLIP or maybe I should say Bidip Bo?

[gregpolard]

Man, you guys are coming in hot with the big name guests.

I will say that the next 4-5 episodes all have guests who played on the records. Some have multiple!

[gregpolard]

Episode 007 is live! We discuss the legendary "The Way It Is" compilation with Rev founders Ray Cappo and Jordan Cooper. Get into it!

EPIC!

Great episode! You all are gonna love this one.

P.S. FLIP or maybe I should say Bidip Bo?

FLIDIP BO!

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RECORD COLLECTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THING!

[gregpolard]

RECORD COLLECTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THING!

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RECORD COLLECTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THING!

Seriously, even by 1985, there were records that I didn’t even bother to put on my want list because they were too hard to get (first Fix and Necros, a lot of Misfits stuff). Those guys were lucky to be in the right place at the right time. All those LES punks were too poor to even think about collecting.

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P.S. Javier is fucking nuts, for many reasons

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P.P.S. Fuck YDL

[JGJR]

RECORD COLLECTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THING!

Seriously, even by 1985, there were records that I didn’t even bother to put on my want list because they were too hard to get (first Fix and Necros, a lot of Misfits stuff). Those guys were lucky to be in the right place at the right time. All those LES punks were too poor to even think about collecting.

While that's all true, I think you missed the greater point. It was a lot easier to find now super rare stuff with persistence, patience, etc. back then (even into the '90s; heck more so since so many were getting rid of their records then) and the prices were obviously much better (even adjusted for inflation, etc.). They lived on the LES/EV and later Williamsburg when it was far different than it is now btw.

[JGJR]

P.S. Javier is fucking nuts, for many reasons

Greg's tastes are certainly much more in line with my own (and probably most of us in this thread). I'll say that much.

[gregpolard]

P.S. Javier is fucking nuts, for many reasons

I know I've said it before but Javier's wild opinions are the reason I chose him as a co-host on here because to me, I feel like it adds an interesting element. Jason is going to be coming on more often (he's our behind the scenes guy) and his opinions are much more in line with mine.

[the mean]

I know Javier from a facebook group, but met him in person when we played SoCal a couple years ago. He's a solid dude.

[version sound]

While that's all true, I think you missed the greater point. It was a lot easier to find now super rare stuff with persistence, patience, etc. back then (even into the '90s; heck more so since so many were getting rid of their records then) and the prices were obviously much better (even adjusted for inflation, etc.). They lived on the LES/EV and later Williamsburg when it was far different than it is now btw.

No sir.

1) Collecting punk/hardcore WAS a thing dating back to the early 80s, at least.
2) Nope, it’s 1000% easier to find rare records now, if you have the money. You may have paid less BITD, but your chances of finding these things were much less, unless you happened to live in a major city, preferably within the geographic region in which the record was released (both true for NYC and the Bad Brains single and Misfits records).
3) I lived in Williamsburg very briefly in the mid-90s and had friends living in NYC dating back to the early ‘90s. I am very aware of how different it was in the ‘80s/early ‘90s.

I was a guy collecting rare punk/hardcore in the mid ‘80s. I know what it las like.

[lewdd]

Glad to hear that Greg is having success with the blog. Hopefully, you get some sponsors soon so that you can make some money on top of having fun. I'm jealous. This is something I would like to do when I retire. By that time, people probably won't care.

[JGJR]

P.P.S. Fuck YDL

I think the hosts handled that issue with logic, grace, and intelligence, but yep.

[JGJR]

While that's all true, I think you missed the greater point. It was a lot easier to find now super rare stuff with persistence, patience, etc. back then (even into the '90s; heck more so since so many were getting rid of their records then) and the prices were obviously much better (even adjusted for inflation, etc.). They lived on the LES/EV and later Williamsburg when it was far different than it is now btw.

No sir.

1) Collecting punk/hardcore WAS a thing dating back to the early 80s, at least.
2) Nope, it’s 1000% easier to find rare records now, if you have the money. You may have paid less BITD, but your chances of finding these things were much less, unless you happened to live in a major city, preferably within the geographic region in which the record was released (both true for NYC and the Bad Brains single and Misfits records).
3) I lived in Williamsburg very briefly in the mid-90s and had friends living in NYC dating back to the early ‘90s. I am very aware of how different it was in the ‘80s/early ‘90s.

I was a guy collecting rare punk/hardcore in the mid ‘80s. I know what it las like.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying and obviously you were there in the mid '80s, but I highlighted the money thing. You simply didn't need it back in the '90s to get rare/collectible stuff and that is generally not true today, but of course you're correct in saying that it was much harder to find due to the lack of internet. I was fortunate enough to live in central NJ when I started collecting and the proximity to both the college I'd end up going to and NYC was likely a major factor in being able to get stuff. I also think that Discogs has changed record collecting in a ton of ways, both good and bad, but one of those factors is that stuff isn't priced randomly anymore and so there is less cheap of something rare slipping through the cracks.

[JGJR]

P.S. Javier is fucking nuts, for many reasons

I know I've said it before but Javier's wild opinions are the reason I chose him as a co-host on here because to me, I feel like it adds an interesting element. Jason is going to be coming on more often (he's our behind the scenes guy) and his opinions are much more in line with mine.

I definitely want more Jason (to answer a question you posed at the end of the last episode).

[scannest]

You have to acknowledge that the reason these things go for more money today is that many of the the people who give a shit about this music are now adults with actual jobs that afford them the disposable income to blow on said records. In other words, these records were cheaper BITD because no one who wanted them could afford to pay more.
I dunno, maybe this is an obvious point but I don't see anyone making it.

[lewdd]

You have to acknowledge that the reason these things go for more money today is that many of the the people who give a shit about this music are now adults with actual jobs that afford them the disposable income to blow on said records. In other words, these records were cheaper BITD because no one who wanted them could afford to pay more.
I dunno, maybe this is an obvious point but I don't see anyone making it.

Same reason why a $20 MSRP box of baseball, football, or basketball cards right now can be bought for $20 at Walmart and sold on eBay for over $100 as soon as you get home.

[version sound]

You have to acknowledge that the reason these things go for more money today is that many of the the people who give a shit about this music are now adults with actual jobs that afford them the disposable income to blow on said records. In other words, these records were cheaper BITD because no one who wanted them could afford to pay more.
I dunno, maybe this is an obvious point but I don't see anyone making it.

Yup. Same thing has happened with the vintage guitar market, and I’ve been priced out of both.

[gregpolard]

We’ve got a patreon with a lot of fun perks imo

https://www.patreon.com/whereitwentpodcast

[xxxMidgexxx]

We’ve got a patreon with a lot of fun perks imo

https://www.patreon.com/whereitwentpodcast

Better not be vegan.

[JGJR]

You have to acknowledge that the reason these things go for more money today is that many of the the people who give a shit about this music are now adults with actual jobs that afford them the disposable income to blow on said records. In other words, these records were cheaper BITD because no one who wanted them could afford to pay more.
I dunno, maybe this is an obvious point but I don't see anyone making it.

That's a great point and one I should've acknowledged/addressed as well. Sometimes a point isn't obvious until someone makes it. With that said, the other piece is that music scenes from the past (and particularly hardcore/punk but not limited to it by any means) are now much more heavily fetishized than they used to be mainly (but not exclusively) due to the internets.

[gregpolard]

New one goes up tomorrow on "Break Down the Walls" (Revelation 8). Maybe we have a special guest or two, I dunno.

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Damn, now you’re getting shouted out in the RevHQ email blast.

[lewdd]

pretty soon spotify will be paying him like rogan

[gregpolard]

Damn, now you’re getting shouted out in the RevHQ email blast.

Just saw last night! Stoked. They also posted on their IG and FB!

Today's episode "Break Down The Walls" with guitarist Porcell and drummer Drew Thomas

[gregpolard]

Cool piece from No Echo on the pod:

https://www.noecho.net/features/revelat ... -interview

[gregpolard]

#53 in the top 200 Music Podcasts this week!

[JGJR]

pretty soon spotify will be paying him like rogan

That's a laugh. Spotify doesn't pay anyone. Ask any musician.

[lewdd]

pretty soon spotify will be paying him like rogan

That's a laugh. Spotify doesn't pay anyone. Ask any musician.

Then you think this story will be even funnier.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-st ... 1589913814

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1985:

[gregpolard]

1985:

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First vegetarian themed hardcore song (that I’m aware of), though it’s relatively subtle (I didn’t get it when I was 13).

[gregpolard]

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First vegetarian themed hardcore song (that I’m aware of), though it’s relatively subtle (I didn’t get it when I was 13).

Ah ok! now I get it. haha sorry!

[the mean]

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First vegetarian themed hardcore song (that I’m aware of), though it’s relatively subtle (I didn’t get it when I was 13).

Don't forget MDC:

[version sound]

I always thought of Corporate Deathburger as more of an anti-capitalist song, but Chicken Squawk was definitely a vegetarian anthem.

[gregpolard]

Also my comment was more about straight forward hc a la Minor Threat, SSD, DYS, Negative Approach etc.

[version sound]

Hold on, since when is early MDC not straightforward hardcore? I mean Chicken Squawk was a slight detour musically, but they were most definitely a hardcore band.

[JGJR]

pretty soon spotify will be paying him like rogan

That's a laugh. Spotify doesn't pay anyone. Ask any musician.

Then you think this story will be even funnier.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-st ... 1589913814

It's behind a pay wall, but thanks.

[JGJR]

I always thought of Corporate Deathburger as more of an anti-capitalist song, but Chicken Squawk was definitely a vegetarian anthem.

100%. That was the first one I ever remember hearing that dealt specifically with vegetarianism, but then again Smoke Signals is one of the very first punk records I ever bought. I was already a vegetarian at that point, so I thought it was cool.

[JGJR]

Hold on, since when is early MDC not straightforward hardcore? I mean Chicken Squawk was a slight detour musically, but they were most definitely a hardcore band.

Again, 100%. Millions of Dead Cops is one of the best records ever made and sadly still very relevant today lyrically. I know some thought of it was just generic thrash when it came out (nothing wrong with that, but it is very much not, their later records even less so). It was the fastest and most political thing ever in '82 at least in American HC from what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong, VS and others).

To be fair, though, even on the 1st Lp they quoted Bowie and by the 2nd Lp there were rock riffs galore, 3rd Lp they covered Cream, etc. You get the idea.

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I never made it past the first album and first 2 EPs, but yeah, that stuff is classic hardcore (except for the country spin they put on Chicken Squawk). For some reason, I never bought any of their other records. I think I was put off by the cover of Smoke Signals. It looked like some kind of hippie rock to me as a 14 year old kid.

And yes, absolutely still relevant (unfortunately). I can probably relate to this even more in the Trump era than I did in the ‘80s:

[lewdd]

That first MDC albums got lots of spins on my turntable as a teenager. Still one of my favorite hardcore albums ever. As VS said, I don't listen to much after the first album and few EPs either, but there is probably a good solid albums worth of songs I like after those. They used to make our house shake with the Kenwood 15" woofers I had as speakers at that time.

[JGJR]

I never made it past the first album and first 2 EPs, but yeah, that stuff is classic hardcore (except for the country spin they put on Chicken Squawk). For some reason, I never bought any of their other records. I think I was put off by the cover of Smoke Signals. It looked like some kind of hippie rock to me as a 14 year old kid.

And yes, absolutely still relevant (unfortunately). I can probably relate to this even more in the Trump era than I did in the ‘80s:

Smoke Signals is definitely worth hearing if you like the "Chicken Squawk" 7" since there's another version of it on there. The rest of it isn't country-tinged, though, but just slightly more rock-influenced hardcore punk. They cover "The Big Picture" (by the Canadian Subhumans) on there, there's an anti-apartheid song that also addresses racial disparities in the U.S., another tribute to vegetarianism called "Tofutti" (a kinda cover of "Tutti Frutti" with the lyrics changed), etc. You get the picture. I love it.

And I agree that their lyrics (and that of other contemporaries/friends of theirs like the DKs) are perhaps even more relevant now. I know that aside from political hip-hop (Killer Mike, PE, et al.), I reach for MDC, Dicks, etc. a lot in the last 6 years since the BLM movement came to prominence.

[gregpolard]

New episode up now!

BOLD "Speak Out" LP with Drew Thomas (Bold/Into Another/YOT) & Tim Brooks (Bold) plus surprise guests Ray Cappo (YOT/Shelter) and Jordan Cooper (Revelation Records)


Up next...Chain of Strength "True Till Death" 7" / "The One Thing That Still Holds True"

[JGJR]

New episode up now!

BOLD "Speak Out" LP with Drew Thomas (Bold/Into Another/YOT) & Tim Brooks (Bold) plus surprise guests Ray Cappo (YOT/Shelter) and Jordan Cooper (Revelation Records)


Up next...Chain of Strength "True Till Death" 7" / "The One Thing That Still Holds True"

You guys outdo yourselves every week. I learned a lot about Bold/Wishing Well/Rev/other stuff listening to this and it also made me appreciate Speak Out more than I ever have. I don't think I'd listened to it since the mid '90s. It's also so weird that they reuse the same catalog #s for later archival releases/reissues (same thing for Bold).

[gregpolard]

New episode up now!

BOLD "Speak Out" LP with Drew Thomas (Bold/Into Another/YOT) & Tim Brooks (Bold) plus surprise guests Ray Cappo (YOT/Shelter) and Jordan Cooper (Revelation Records)


Up next...Chain of Strength "True Till Death" 7" / "The One Thing That Still Holds True"

You guys outdo yourselves every week. I learned a lot about Bold/Wishing Well/Rev/other stuff listening to this and it also made me appreciate Speak Out more than I ever have. I don't think I'd listened to it since the mid '90s. It's also so weird that they reuse the same catalog #s for later archival releases/reissues (same thing for Bold).

Thank you! Wait til you hear the next couple !

[JGJR]

New episode up now!

BOLD "Speak Out" LP with Drew Thomas (Bold/Into Another/YOT) & Tim Brooks (Bold) plus surprise guests Ray Cappo (YOT/Shelter) and Jordan Cooper (Revelation Records)


Up next...Chain of Strength "True Till Death" 7" / "The One Thing That Still Holds True"

You guys outdo yourselves every week. I learned a lot about Bold/Wishing Well/Rev/other stuff listening to this and it also made me appreciate Speak Out more than I ever have. I don't think I'd listened to it since the mid '90s. It's also so weird that they reuse the same catalog #s for later archival releases/reissues (same thing for Bold).

Thank you! Wait til you hear the next couple !

I hope you saved Alex for the Statue episode (one which I'm personally looking forward to perhaps more than anything else coming up except for Burn and Underdog). Either way, can't wait!

[gregpolard]

CHAIN episode goes live Wednesday. People who are fans will be stoked. S/O to MarcM....he knows why