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by **jaybird** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:18 pm

Kiss Me Deadly. Save the best for last, I say.

This may be my most daghousey post/thread ever.

Now fuck off.

by **jaybird** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:19 pm

P.S.: Binding poll.

by **version sound** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:22 pm

I went for the first one, but all three are great.

by **jaybird** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:25 pm

version sound wrote:I went for the first one, but all three are great.

Yeah, I have a hard time choosing. If I'm out-voted on another album, I'll be okay with the verdict.

by **yourenotevil** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:49 pm

billy idol's greatest hits

by **Chris Shary** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:00 pm

Would be a killer band for RIOT FEST 2015. I'm just saying, it's about time.

by **FormerLurker** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:22 pm

Not one note, etc.

by **patient_ot** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:36 pm

I actually bought the s/t today on vinyl because it had a track or two that wasn't on the CD version. I don't think I've ever heard the others, perhaps I'll check them out on streaming.

by **version sound** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:34 pm

Get with it folks. Generation X were tops.

by **obik** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:45 pm

I think I still have the Generation X bootleg 7" somewhere. The one that was released before any of their official records...

Alas I can't say the same for my Spunk LP. Sold that years ago...

by **Gary** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:30 am

First one,but like them all.

by **77clash** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:08 am

Are we talking the USA or UK version of the S/T?

by **version sound** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:42 am

77clash wrote:Are we talking the USA or UK version of the S/T?

The UK version is the standard, I'd say. It came out first and the track listing wasn't fucked up with a John Lennon cover.

by **jaybird** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:04 am

Chris Shary wrote:Would be a killer band for RIOT FEST 2015. I'm just saying, it's about time.

Totally. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

by **77clash** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:20 am

jaybird wrote:
Chris Shary wrote:Would be a killer band for RIOT FEST 2015. I'm just saying, it's about time.

Totally. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

That may get me to go to that festival again.

by **version sound** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:51 am

Derwood = best guitarist in punk, period.

by **tango fistula** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:09 pm

version sound wrote:Derwood = best guitarist in punk, period.

Top 10 for sure.

Ed Kuepper and Greg Sage loom bigger for me

Website · by **JGJR** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:43 pm

jaybird wrote:Kiss Me Deadly. Save the best for last, I say.

This may be my most daghousey post/thread ever.

Now fuck off.

You crazy. The correct answer is clearly the s/t (US version) and I say this as someone who owns all 3 albums in multiple formats (vinyl and CD).

Website · by **JGJR** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:44 pm

version sound wrote:
77clash wrote:Are we talking the USA or UK version of the S/T?

The UK version is the standard, I'd say. It came out first and the track listing wasn't fucked up with a John Lennon cover.

That's the track listing I like the most because I first heard it on cassette that way when I was 18. And their cover of "Gimme Some Truth" absolutely rules. Sorry, but it's a better tune than something like "Listen" (one of the ones they left off the US version).

Website · by **JGJR** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:45 pm

tango fistula wrote:
version sound wrote:Derwood = best guitarist in punk, period.

Top 10 for sure.

Ed Kuepper and Greg Sage loom bigger for me

This, to a tee.

by **Chris Shary** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:54 pm

So who's arm do we need to twist to get a GEN X reunion?

by **obik** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:57 pm

Chris Shary wrote:So who's arm do we need to twist to get a GEN X reunion?

I love Generation X but NO.

Seriously, no fuckin' way.

by **version sound** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:31 pm

JGJR wrote:
version sound wrote:
77clash wrote:Are we talking the USA or UK version of the S/T?

The UK version is the standard, I'd say. It came out first and the track listing wasn't fucked up with a John Lennon cover.

That's the track listing I like the most because I first heard it on cassette that way when I was 18. And their cover of "Gimme Some Truth" absolutely rules. Sorry, but it's a better tune than something like "Listen" (one of the ones they left off the US version).

This is the wrongest you've ever been, and that's saying something. Because you fucked up when you were 18 everyone else should too? That's solid reasoning. I bought the right one when I was 10 or 11, so if we're going by precedent, my history trumps your history. Let's focus on correcting our mistakes, not perpetuating them. Otherwise, we might as well all sign up for the Conservative Punk newsletter.

Website · by **JGJR** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:00 pm

version sound wrote:
JGJR wrote:
version sound wrote:
77clash wrote:Are we talking the USA or UK version of the S/T?

The UK version is the standard, I'd say. It came out first and the track listing wasn't fucked up with a John Lennon cover.

That's the track listing I like the most because I first heard it on cassette that way when I was 18. And their cover of "Gimme Some Truth" absolutely rules. Sorry, but it's a better tune than something like "Listen" (one of the ones they left off the US version).

This is the wrongest you've ever been, and that's saying something. Because you fucked up when you were 18 everyone else should too? That's solid reasoning. I bought the right one when I was 10 or 11, so if we're going by precedent, my history trumps your history. Let's focus on correcting our mistakes, not perpetuating them. Otherwise, we might as well all sign up for the Conservative Punk newsletter.

You bought the UK one when you were 10? Seriously? If so, I am impressed. I didn't find that version (which I own on both vinyl and CD, BTW) until my early 20s. I just happened to find the cassette version for cheap when I was 18 and loved it, though I'd already heard some of the stuff before that. In general, I don't like it when U.S. labels fuck up the U.K. track order, but this is one exception.

Website · by **JGJR** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:01 pm

Also, confession time: I've never been able to get into Valley of the Dolls. I think the title track is great, as is "Running with the Boss Sound" and "King Rocker". Maybe I need to revisit it.

by **version sound** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:14 pm

JGJR wrote:You bought the UK one when you were 10? Seriously? If so, I am impressed.

That's just the one they had at the record store. I probably didn't even realize there was a different US version until I started seeing used copies in record stores in the last 10 years.

by **john stabb** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:19 pm

A Generation X Reunion will never happen with original guitarist/songwriter Bob Derwood Andrews after Billy & Tony cheated him silly in never giving him any songwriting cred or royalties for his writing "Dancing with myself". And have you seen the dude who wears a rubber Billy Idol mask lately who's doing press for his book lately :?:

That cat ain't Billy Idol. I bet there will be no chapter in the book about how afraid Billy & others were of The English Beat (+ their crew) when they gigged with them early on. The wussies were so scared that they left all their gear onstage & ran out of the club leaving English Beat some new equipment. Bottom line: Generation X were a great band & put out great albums/singles. Gen X was pretty good & put out a pretty good "12. Billy Idol tried hard to be a teen idol solo act but soon was remade into Punk Rock KISS by KISS management. He's a big buffoon, pussyhound, pothead that nobody should give the time of day. :roll:

by **jaybird** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:14 am

john stabb wrote:He's a big buffoon, pussyhound, pothead ...

You say this like it's a bad thing.

by **Welly** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:23 am

First one. Sounds like a mod record.

by **FormerLurker** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:39 am

jaybird wrote:
john stabb wrote:He's a big buffoon, pussyhound, pothead ...

You say this like it's a bad thing.

by **MXV** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:24 am

I finally found myself a copy of the UK pressing of the first album this weekend when I was in Minneapolis. I was really happy to finally get one.

by **version sound** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:56 am

I sold my original copy god knows when. I replaced it a few years ago with a first press complete with the OBI. It's a little rough around the edges, but it was cheap. It's a Porky Prime Cut, too, so that's a nice bonus.

by **Welly** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:09 am

version sound wrote:It's a Porky Prime Cut, too, so that's a nice bonus.

A lot of the first records I bought were Porky Prime Cuts. Imagine how pleased I was when our first 7" came back from the plant in '95 with 'Porky Prime Cut' inscribed into the matrix with a message on each side. "Short as life is we make it even shorter with the careless waste of time" and "Strangely enough it's often cranks that start revolutions".

by **version sound** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:23 am

Nice! That dude is revered among the record nerds.

Website · by **JGJR** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:39 pm

john stabb wrote:A Generation X Reunion will never happen with original guitarist/songwriter Bob Derwood Andrews after Billy & Tony cheated him silly in never giving him any songwriting cred or royalties for his writing "Dancing with myself". And have you seen the dude who wears a rubber Billy Idol mask lately who's doing press for his book lately That cat ain't Billy Idol. I bet there will be no chapter in the book about how afraid Billy & others were of The English Beat (+ their crew) when they gigged with them early on. The wussies were so scared that they left all their gear onstage & ran out of the club leaving English Beat some new equipment.

I have heard stories about Billy being really scared hanging out at the 100 Club (or other London punk clubs) and places like that when there were Rastafarians and Don Letts played reggae. He thought they would all get mugged, etc. Thus, I believe this. I didn't know that about Derwood, though. Too bad! He's my favorite member of that band (by some distance).

by **john stabb** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:06 am

Yes, JGJR, Billy may act all "bad boy claiming to smoke tons of pot" but is scared silly of the Rastas. You know, I think the Generation X BBC 1 sessions is even better than the 1st album. And, man do I love their rendition of Lennon's Gimme Some Truth :!:

Apparently, little Billy's current live set has half-Generation X in it but fuck all if this Generation X fan is going to see that crapweasel.

by **matt** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:38 pm

http://pagesix.com/2014/10/13/billy-ido ... eration-x/

by **Chris Shary** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:43 pm

Oh a reunion would be delightful!

by **jaybird** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:53 pm

matt wrote:http://pagesix.com/2014/10/13/billy-idol-wants-to-reunite-generation-x/

I was just coming here to post this.

by **scannest** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:20 pm

matt wrote:http://pagesix.com/2014/10/13/billy-idol-wants-to-reunite-generation-x/

Wow, he really looks like a wax figure in that photo.

by **jaybird** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:31 pm

So he was even on Stern a few days ago. I swear when I started this thread I had no idea he was trying to make a comeback.

by **scannest** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:42 pm

I've never paid much attention to these guys, so I pulled up a Greatest Hits on Spotify for my walk home. I liked it a lot - they've got really catchy songs and a great sound (I'm a sucker for that chugga-chugga crunch). But give me some historical perspective, please. These guys were considered a joke, right? I mean, it totally smacks of opportunistic 'poseur' punk. I can only assume that if you were a fan of the Clash, Pistols, Damned, etc. in 1978 that you laughed at Billy Idol and his mates. Am I right?

by **lewdd** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:12 pm

scannest wrote:I've never paid much attention to these guys, so I pulled up a Greatest Hits on Spotify for my walk home. I liked it a lot - they've got really catchy songs and a great sound (I'm a sucker for that chugga-chugga crunch). But give me some historical perspective, please. These guys were considered a joke, right? I mean, it totally smacks of opportunistic 'poseur' punk. I can only assume that if you were a fan of the Clash, Pistols, Damned, etc. in 1978 that you laughed at Billy Idol and his mates. Am I right?

Not me. I loved this stuff especially the first LP. I think it ranks up there with the first Clash, Buzzcocks, or Undertones LPs.

by **jaybird** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:59 pm

scannest wrote:I've never paid much attention to these guys, so I pulled up a Greatest Hits on Spotify for my walk home. I liked it a lot - they've got really catchy songs and a great sound (I'm a sucker for that chugga-chugga crunch). But give me some historical perspective, please. These guys were considered a joke, right? I mean, it totally smacks of opportunistic 'poseur' punk. I can only assume that if you were a fan of the Clash, Pistols, Damned, etc. in 1978 that you laughed at Billy Idol and his mates. Am I right?

They did take a little bit of shit early on for being pretty boys who were unapologetic about wanting to be pop-stars, but they were such a good band in terms of playing and songwriting, they were able to prove their critics wrong. Many, many later bands have cited them as a huge influence - Dag Nasty and Descendents to name two.

by **version sound** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:03 pm

I know Smalley loves them.

As for the reunion...meh. If it's without Derwood, 1, 000, 000 times meh.

by **FormerLurker** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:39 pm

They should just get Tommy Stinson on bass, then everything's good.

by **version sound** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:54 pm

scannest wrote:I've never paid much attention to these guys, so I pulled up a Greatest Hits on Spotify for my walk home. I liked it a lot - they've got really catchy songs and a great sound (I'm a sucker for that chugga-chugga crunch). But give me some historical perspective, please. These guys were considered a joke, right? I mean, it totally smacks of opportunistic 'poseur' punk. I can only assume that if you were a fan of the Clash, Pistols, Damned, etc. in 1978 that you laughed at Billy Idol and his mates. Am I right?

What jaybird said, but also, they had some cred, since Billy had been in Chelsea and Tony was in London SS. Billy was also part of the Bromley Contingent, so he had been part of the scene from very early on.

by **77clash** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:56 pm

version sound wrote:
scannest wrote:I've never paid much attention to these guys, so I pulled up a Greatest Hits on Spotify for my walk home. I liked it a lot - they've got really catchy songs and a great sound (I'm a sucker for that chugga-chugga crunch). But give me some historical perspective, please. These guys were considered a joke, right? I mean, it totally smacks of opportunistic 'poseur' punk. I can only assume that if you were a fan of the Clash, Pistols, Damned, etc. in 1978 that you laughed at Billy Idol and his mates. Am I right?

What jaybird said, but also, they had some cred, since Billy had been in Chelsea and Tony was in London SS. Billy was also part of the Bromley Contingent, so he had been part of the scene from very early on.

what VS said. he and i were there.

by **john stabb** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:17 am

scanny, you've really missed out on an amazing group from the UK punk era :shock:

But never too late to discover greatness. I've always dug them but was originally disappointed by the follow up to S/T brilliance in Valley of the Dolls. His initial solo-attempt as Bill Jett (that Joan growl/howl he seriously copped) doing "Mony Mony" was pretty embarrassing. Took me some time to really dig the big solo record (as much as it was catchy) that his MTV pop-star songs like "Dancing" & "Eyes without a Face" were lame. That "Rebel Yell" rock-crap is still crap to this fan. When I found out about Billy & Tony burning Derwood (and who doesn't love the Empire stuff he did after splitting Generation X :?:

) so badly. Screw that assclown & his "I'M MR. PUNKROCK, AGAIN". In the words of Paul Cook (when I asked him what he thought of The Damned) "Think he's a facking joke!" :roll:

by **danny** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:34 pm

john stabb wrote:scanny, you've really missed out on an amazing group from the UK punk era But never too late to discover greatness. I've always dug them but was originally disappointed by the follow up to S/T brilliance in Valley of the Dolls. His initial solo-attempt as Bill Jett (that Joan growl/howl he seriously copped) doing "Mony Mony" was pretty embarrassing. Took me some time to really dig the big solo record (as much as it was catchy) that his MTV pop-star songs like "Dancing" & "Eyes without a Face" were lame. That "Rebel Yell" rock-crap is still crap to this fan. When I found out about Billy & Tony burning Derwood (and who doesn't love the Empire stuff he did after splitting Generation X ) so badly. Screw that assclown & his "I'M MR. PUNKROCK, AGAIN". In the words of Paul Cook (when I asked him what he thought of The Damned) "Think he's a facking joke!"

i love all three of the generation x records - but was put off entirely by idol's solo career. oddly enough - the one i listen to most these days is valley of the dolls...but i also have a bootleg from that early era called untouchables, and it is amazing.

Best Generation X album?

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